German Chancellor made his comments in an interview with weekly ‘Der Spiegel’. Scholz is focusing on migration after a pair of regional elections in which voters punished his three-party coalition
Europe is responsible for crisis in other parts of the world, which leads to migration in the first place. Germany as one of the wealthiest nations in the EU has a special responsibility for migrants and asylum seekers.
Even from a plain economical standpoint Germany needs migrant workers.
Germany does not need migrant workers. The Labour shortage is a lie cooked up by corporations, the media and politicians. The real shortage is in wages and working conditions.
Well, to be more precise: We need a lot of people willing and able to work in elder care and certain other professions. Unfortunately that does not appear to be the case for many people who fled countries like Syria. In 2021 65% of Syrians in Germany were still on welfare. link in German
Economically speaking refugees from countries like Syria cost more than they bring in. Now, that’s not a good reason to end the right to asylum - old people are even more expensive, don’t work and we’re not talking about abandoning them - and of course better policies could lead to a higher share of refugees actually working, but with current policies the economy isn’t an argument in favor of accepting refugees.
I guess that is by design. If you make it hard for refugees to work, you can use it as a argument against asylum. The stereotype of the lazy immigrant, that only came to Europe for the welfare is quite wide-spread.
It’s just simple protectionism. Banning outsiders from working helps with wages and unemployment. At least in the short term. The idea was to thwart the “steal our jobs” claim.
That said, the working bans - that get lifted when people are recognized as refugees - only explain a portion of the high unemployment and welfare rates. Besides the language issues, it should be self-evident that people who grew up in war torn countries are less likely to well educated and mentally sound than people who grew up with a reasonably effective welfare state watching over them.
Europe is responsible for crisis in other parts of the world, which leads to migration in the first place. Germany
Germany was steadfastly opposed to the Iraq war. A fairer solution would be that European countries which joined that war, like Poland and the UK, take all the Syrian and Iraqi refugees. They helped cause the problem, it’s only fair that they should help solve it.
from a plain economical standpoint Germany needs migrant workers
Ukrainians are highly educated and motivated. Employment rates in some EU countries are as high as 40%. I’m afraid that you can’t say the same about some of the migrants Europe fails to deport.
If there’s a choice between someone who never learnt to read, versus someone who knows advanced calculus, it makes no sense to choose the former. Especially as they’re less likely to have problematic political views.
If there’s a choice between someone who is genuinely fleeing persecution, or someone who escaped a Tunisian jail and went on to murder people because he wasn’t deported after his request for asylum was refused, that’s also an easy choice.
Germany was steadfastly opposed to the Iraq war. A fairer solution would be that European countries which joined that war, like Poland and the UK, take all the Syrian and Iraqi refugees. They helped cause the problem, it’s only fair that they should help solve it.
Cause the Iraqi war is where history starts and the only cause of migration?
Some of the states around the world have deep problems from events that happened far in the past. Specifically colonisation has played a role here.
Additionally, if Europe wants to reduce migration, it should invest in the areas that see high migration, instead of dropping a bag of cash at the nearest African dictator to “take care” of Europe’s problems or forcing developing countries in even greater debt and problems through conditionality via the IMF and World Bank.
At the same time will we only see an increasing demand for labour and instead of being the populist now, we should establish proper immigration systems.
No. Who we deemed doesn’t belong here will be shown the Door you can’t just blame other countries problems on us, and even if, running away wont fix that.
Rejected asylum just means that there is no humanitarian reason why they couldn’t return to their home country, not that they couldn’t fit into Europe.
For example, I know a young man who came here from Tajikistan. His asylum request was rejected, but because that process took so long, he had already built up a whole life here. He has a lot of local friends, a girlfriend and a got full education in gastronomy, where he is working full time. He got a special permit to remain here due to support from local people.
you can’t just blame other countries problems on us
You can, if they happened to be caused by us. Which they are. From propping up authoritarian leaders for cheap resources to being main contributers to the climate crisis
Also how is Germany not deporting undesireable people already? There are processes for this in play already. What part of it exactly do you think is lacking? Most people who are for more deportations have no idea how the process works, what the criteria or problems with it are at all. All they know is that they want more. Doesn’t matter if it actually solves any problems or not.
(Turns out you can’t really deport more people faster without undermining basic principles of the rule of law or because the states to deport to are not willing to cooperate in the first place (and why would they?))
No.
Can you explain how Germany is solely responsible for every crisis in the world?
Germany does not need migrant workers. The Labour shortage is a lie cooked up by corporations, the media and politicians. The real shortage is in wages and working conditions.
You have seen the age pyramid of Germany?
Unless some Nazi Style Lebensborn „German breeding“ is started, we of course need quite a lot of immigrants.
Well, to be more precise: We need a lot of people willing and able to work in elder care and certain other professions. Unfortunately that does not appear to be the case for many people who fled countries like Syria. In 2021 65% of Syrians in Germany were still on welfare. link in German
Economically speaking refugees from countries like Syria cost more than they bring in. Now, that’s not a good reason to end the right to asylum - old people are even more expensive, don’t work and we’re not talking about abandoning them - and of course better policies could lead to a higher share of refugees actually working, but with current policies the economy isn’t an argument in favor of accepting refugees.
I guess that is by design. If you make it hard for refugees to work, you can use it as a argument against asylum. The stereotype of the lazy immigrant, that only came to Europe for the welfare is quite wide-spread.
It’s just simple protectionism. Banning outsiders from working helps with wages and unemployment. At least in the short term. The idea was to thwart the “steal our jobs” claim.
That said, the working bans - that get lifted when people are recognized as refugees - only explain a portion of the high unemployment and welfare rates. Besides the language issues, it should be self-evident that people who grew up in war torn countries are less likely to well educated and mentally sound than people who grew up with a reasonably effective welfare state watching over them.
Germany was steadfastly opposed to the Iraq war. A fairer solution would be that European countries which joined that war, like Poland and the UK, take all the Syrian and Iraqi refugees. They helped cause the problem, it’s only fair that they should help solve it.
Ukrainians are highly educated and motivated. Employment rates in some EU countries are as high as 40%. I’m afraid that you can’t say the same about some of the migrants Europe fails to deport.
If there’s a choice between someone who never learnt to read, versus someone who knows advanced calculus, it makes no sense to choose the former. Especially as they’re less likely to have problematic political views.
If there’s a choice between someone who is genuinely fleeing persecution, or someone who escaped a Tunisian jail and went on to murder people because he wasn’t deported after his request for asylum was refused, that’s also an easy choice.
Cause the Iraqi war is where history starts and the only cause of migration?
Some of the states around the world have deep problems from events that happened far in the past. Specifically colonisation has played a role here.
Additionally, if Europe wants to reduce migration, it should invest in the areas that see high migration, instead of dropping a bag of cash at the nearest African dictator to “take care” of Europe’s problems or forcing developing countries in even greater debt and problems through conditionality via the IMF and World Bank.
At the same time will we only see an increasing demand for labour and instead of being the populist now, we should establish proper immigration systems.
No. Who we deemed doesn’t belong here will be shown the Door you can’t just blame other countries problems on us, and even if, running away wont fix that.
Rejected asylum just means that there is no humanitarian reason why they couldn’t return to their home country, not that they couldn’t fit into Europe.
For example, I know a young man who came here from Tajikistan. His asylum request was rejected, but because that process took so long, he had already built up a whole life here. He has a lot of local friends, a girlfriend and a got full education in gastronomy, where he is working full time. He got a special permit to remain here due to support from local people.
You can, if they happened to be caused by us. Which they are. From propping up authoritarian leaders for cheap resources to being main contributers to the climate crisis
Also how is Germany not deporting undesireable people already? There are processes for this in play already. What part of it exactly do you think is lacking? Most people who are for more deportations have no idea how the process works, what the criteria or problems with it are at all. All they know is that they want more. Doesn’t matter if it actually solves any problems or not.
(Turns out you can’t really deport more people faster without undermining basic principles of the rule of law or because the states to deport to are not willing to cooperate in the first place (and why would they?))