In a video on Oct. 13, Instagram influencer and photojournalist Motaz Azaiza shared footage of the rubble of an apartment, the site of an Israeli bombardment that killed 15 of his family members.
He turns the camera on himself first, visibly upset, and then shows the scene—the ruin of the building, a bloodstain, a neighbor carrying a child’s body draped with a shroud.
In response, Meta restricted access to his account.
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I mentioned, for example, the location of the massacres: The side streets. And the people massacred weren’t students. I said that the protest was dissolved by threat of violence, not violence. I didn’t really get into the struggle inside the party of how to deal with the protest but I did mention the outcome.
Are those things correct, yes or no? Is it some “soylent koolaid BS I have been fed”? It may not please your tankie sensibilities but it’s definitely not the “Army rolled over students” line that became a urban myth in the west. This here sums up the press failure quite well, but it would also be mistaken to call it a deliberate propaganda move – those things just happen. It’s carelessness, and China being the authoritarian state it is and constantly denying anything even remotely untowards happened that day in Peking isn’t exactly helping correcting the record.
Fuck no I’m not a historian. But, again: You actually have to tell me what I supposedly got wrong before I could remedy that issue. Are you here to talk to me and possibly educate, or to shout?
I’m trying to figure out what difference it even makes who was killed and where. It’s not like the Tank Man footage was faked. And everyone clearly accepts that the Chinese government massacred its own people to stop an uprising.
Man, I am reminded of how much I hate humanity. Governments like theirs is the default everywhere.
It makes a difference when there are people actively trying to deny anyone died, period.
No one is doing that though, at least not here in the thread. Unless a new tankie popped in somewhere and I didn’t see.
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The army gunned down mostly workers, Peking locals, who tried to stop them from advancing to the square by blockading the streets. More or less the same people who had previously handed out noodles to the troops to have an opportunity to tell them that those are Dengist students wanting some more reform, their sons and daughters, not violent reactionaries, to make sure that what the party hardliners told the army wasn’t the only thing the soldiers knew. Which was a good thing because if the soldiers hadn’t known they probably would not have reacted with as much restraint – but they still followed orders and advanced to the square, leaving corpses in their wake.
The official party line is still, more or less, “If we hadn’t cracked down there would have been murder and rampage” – nope. The violence happened because significant parts of the party wanted to backstab Deng’s reforms and definitely didn’t want to set precedent that some students could just show up and protest and get party members to talk to them and negotiate – which very much happened on the part of the reformist faction.
But I wouldn’t be surprised that it’s kinda inconceivable in the first place for a tankie that the Chinese party had, or has, factions. Their performance has been rather spotty when it comes to centralism, but it was certainly increased after Tiananmen, and also after the collapse of the USSR. Mostly though it’s politics as usual.
How, exactly, is any of this “pro-CIA”? Are you just throwing out random accusations? And yes I’m an Anarchist. I always was, and always will be, anti-tankie. Deal with it. But I also know just a tad bit more about Tiananmen than your ordinary westerner or, for that matter, your ordinary tankie.
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Black flag. You’re the red flag. Get your vexillology straight.
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I oppose fascism of any kind. Kahanites, Hamas, Putin, doesn’t matter, same shit with a different coat of paint.
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There have been plenty of books on the subject by people who has escaped China during this time.
Students and later supporters were shot at or ran over by tanks if they refused to leave. This was in a time when China would publicly execute you if you were homosexual or if you were a female that had too many boyfriends. Then they opened fire on bystanders watching from the side lines.
Soon after the initial murders happened riots by bystanders started. Heavy casualties were reported by several sources. China estimated several hundred while other media reported several thousand.
Reports from survivors state friends who were shot would be thrown in the streets to be crushed by tanks or bulldozers and the viscera hosed down drain systems. Survivors claim victims families were sometimes charged with reimbursement for the bullets used on the deceased.
The June 4th incident is still whispered heavily today by the Chinese people. The only people that deny it are tankies.
Most of this can be verified though pictures, documents and video footage.
The only involvement by the CIA was though Operation Yellowbird on helping the protesters escape though Honk Kong.