cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/7643915

As always in capitalism, video games have largely deformed from an art form into just another means to generate profit for large corporations

    • xor
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      128 months ago

      corruption is rife in countries

      FTFY

      • Bernie Ecclestoned
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        -58 months ago

        But moreso where there’s no opportunity to make money

        • xor
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          68 months ago

          That’s a pretty drastic statement to make without evidence

            • xor
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              Okay but the bottom 5 are all capitalist countries.

              Even if that wasn’t the case, just linking a corruption index doesn’t prove your original statement:

              corruption is more common where there’s no opportunity to make money

              Edit: since you’ve edited and added words, let me add:

              I would even go as far as to say that your evidence in fact suggests rather the opposite trend: countries where wealth is more equitably distributed have lower rates of corruption

                • xor
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                  Are you aware that this is an article about how the poorly managed transition to capitalism allowed highly concentrated wealth and power, and thus corruption?

                  postcommunist Europe’s economic transition and institutional vacuum provided ideal opportunities for state capture. The most attractive jobs sought by corrupt officials were associated with the privatization process, institutions that regulated business and the customs bureau

                  • @decisivelyhoodnoises
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                    Yeah the “postcommunist” is a very difficult word and the guy couldn’t understand the meaning. He thought that it might have something to do with the post office

            • Dr. Jenkem
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              38 months ago

              While certainly capitalist, Denmark and Sweden use the nordic model which tends to lean pretty social-democrat/welfare-state.

              Not to mention, much of bribery under capitalist states is legalized and codified. For example, I’m guessing their study didn’t consider Super-PACs as a form of corruption or bribery. Even though that’s clearly what they are.

        • Dr. Jenkem
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          58 months ago

          Lol, there’s plenty of opportunity to make money under socialism. You just have to do the labor. Under capitalism, however, there exists opportunity to derive money from other people’s surplus labor value, for example, I can pay a worker $4 to make a thing that requires $1 in supplies and sell that for $10. That difference of $5 is stolen surplus value from the laborer. Socialists seek to abolish this parasitic relationship.

          • Bernie Ecclestoned
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            18 months ago

            You just have to do the labor

            Yeah, fuck that. I’ve had over 30 jobs in 30 years, I just played the game, retired once, now I have the luxury of no debt and passive income, I can go all in on green tech.

            Plus, you have to trust that the central government knows best. Looking at things like the famine in China after the 4 pest policy and the govt’s recent performance where I live in the UK, I have zero faith, in either system.

            Time for something new

    • Dr. Jenkem
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      48 months ago

      Even if we suppose that’s true, you’re still failing to illustrate how capital is necessary for production under socialism.

      • Bernie Ecclestoned
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        -38 months ago

        Maybe we should start with what you mean by capital

          • Bernie Ecclestoned
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            -28 months ago

            Ok good. So capital is required for capex and opex.

            As you start with 0 sales you need to get capital from investors to fund you until sales >1

            • Dr. Jenkem
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              Yes, that is how it works under capitalism.

              Under socialism however, the state funds labor based on needs and/or desires for the output of that labor (the commodity). In this case, the money isn’t used for the goal of making more money, therefore, this isn’t capital at all. And yet, the labor happens and the commodity created. Therefore, the production is independent of the capital.

              • Bernie Ecclestoned
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                18 months ago

                It’s how the state decides to fund things that’s the problem though. As has been proven over and over again in multiple countries.

                It’s great theory, but it’s just theory.

                • Dr. Jenkem
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                  18 months ago

                  What exactly is the relevance? To me it seems like you’re just shifting the goal posts.