Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible in the Israel-Hamas war with “an organization like Hamas” involved.

“I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,” Sanders told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” Sunday.

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    “I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,

    This is pretty clear to me. this fallacy of saying “destroying the state of Israel”, which is

    1. impossible - this a high-end military state
    2. this is Israel which is fucking destroying palestine, there is no more factual than this.
    3. hamas* or whatever you call it today is just “replying” to this fact

    As far as I know, this is not Israeli which get their water/food/electricity/movement/borders controlled, this is not Israeli under the bombs, this is not Israeli moving to the south…

    So Bernie… we can’t even talk kind of chessmaster rhetoric (“ya know, he critics Israel behind”), this is pure cowardice if not dishonesty (by its affiliation)

    *cause of course, Isreal is creating generation of - legit - haters

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      He kind of has a point. The idea that a permanent ceasefire with Hamas is impossible has some merit. The keyword here is permanent, that any ceasefire will eventually collapse and lead to this situation happening again. Then he clarifies what should be done instead.

      I don’t agree with him on this point, don’t get me wrong, but the point seems to be that a return to pre-Oct 7 conditions won’t do any favors for everybody. He says this too in the article:

      “The immediate task right now is to end the bombing,” Sanders said Sunday, “to end the horrific humanitarian disaster, to build – go forward with the entire world for a two-tier, two-state solution to the crisis to give the Palestinian people hope.”

      That’s a pretty agreeable position.

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        18 months ago

        Again, you are ignoring the context. This is not Hamas - or whatever you call it today - a population is getting decimated on a faster pace right now! 7 Oct was tragic (still, not everything has been investigated yet and we know Israeli’s trend to inflate shit) but it CAN’T be drawn as a sacred milestone which could erase all the previous and atrocious forfeits, should I say “crimes”, committed by Israel.

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          I mean he says the bombing needs to end and has voted as much in the Senate… He’s definitely not claiming Israel is in any way innocent.

          We’re falling into the trap of “Do you condemn Hamas” here. Not any mention of Hamas needs to be accompanied by a condemnation of Israel, just as not every mention of Israel needs to come with a condemnation of Hamas.

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            18 months ago

            We’re falling into the trap of “Do you condemn Hamas” here.

            Not at all, I see what you mean but no. The “relation” is irrelevant here. Who has the power, the control and who is dying?

            • @Meowoem
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              That’s such a simplistic view though, how long would you ignore a country firing missiles at you and sneaking in to kill civilians? Israel spent staggering sums on defensive security rather than just carpet bombing and still they find ways to kill Israelies.

              And they always will, the leader of Hamas went to Iran again the other day to talk about further support that Iran can give them - they already train Palestinian fighters, supply them with missiles, scuba suits, paragliders, and tunnel making equipment. This isn’t just a small city being bullied it’s a proxy war, and yeah there are people in Palestine who don’t support Hamas but it’s not just Israel that’s too blame for their bad experience - fundamentalist despots need them to be there suffering and dying so they can have a reason to keep attacking Israel, so they can hold Israel up as a bogeyman to cement their power at home.

              This isn’t a simple situation, Israel can’t just stop fighting and tear down it’s walls.

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                08 months ago

                firing missiles

                Anoooother inflate. talking about missile (which are guided and of higher destruction capacity) while the others use artisanal rocketry, shows a level of cowardice, jeez… And if you are so fucked up that, a death, if arab should only interest their ethnic, be aware that Iran is persian and shite, not arab and sunnite like… ya know, Saudi Arabia, Liban or Jordania OR Egypt!

                Just look a the fucking map. The reality Israel is theocratic state (pseudo democratic, Bibi refers often to the book), laws are based on Talmud and they cry to build their great Israel.