This usually means police abolition and refocusing that energy on the underlining reasons people break “the law”. Like providing a minimum level of housing, income and food to all.
Do these people really believe only homeless and poor people are hurting other people?
Of course no one believes that, don’t make hyperbolic strawmen. But you can’t deny that poverty definitely drives a nontrivial percentage of crimes, and we have plenty enough resources to end poverty. Let’s do that, and the remaining actual sociopaths can stay in prison for life. (But also let’s make prison no longer a place where we torture and enslave people.)
Many conversations I’ve had with leftist here on lemmy have resulted in them claiming that all crime is either a crime of greed or poverty. No hyperbole. It’s infuriating trying to talk with some of them on these topics because they simply will not accept that there are other forms of crime or violence… No crimes of passion, etc.
That’s only for economic crime, think theft. There can only be theft out of greed or necessity. The handful of cleptomaniacs that steal for personal satisfaction are such a small percentage that it’s not worth discussing.
Anything like a crime of passion is probably murder or something along those lines. Less directly related to money.
No honest leftist I’ve ever talked to has denied that, but they’re largely not relevant to the ideas around the restructure of society. Any system is gonna have an angry spouse making horrible choices.
Crimes of greed and poverty make up the vast majority of crimes though. And hierarchical systems do a shitty job of preventing those crimes anyway (since they focus on individual punishment rather than communal restoration of justice).
Do these people really believe only homeless and poor people are hurting other people?
Of course no one believes that, don’t make hyperbolic strawmen. But you can’t deny that poverty definitely drives a nontrivial percentage of crimes, and we have plenty enough resources to end poverty. Let’s do that, and the remaining actual sociopaths can stay in prison for life. (But also let’s make prison no longer a place where we torture and enslave people.)
Many conversations I’ve had with leftist here on lemmy have resulted in them claiming that all crime is either a crime of greed or poverty. No hyperbole. It’s infuriating trying to talk with some of them on these topics because they simply will not accept that there are other forms of crime or violence… No crimes of passion, etc.
That’s only for economic crime, think theft. There can only be theft out of greed or necessity. The handful of cleptomaniacs that steal for personal satisfaction are such a small percentage that it’s not worth discussing.
Anything like a crime of passion is probably murder or something along those lines. Less directly related to money.
No honest leftist I’ve ever talked to has denied that, but they’re largely not relevant to the ideas around the restructure of society. Any system is gonna have an angry spouse making horrible choices.
Crimes of greed and poverty make up the vast majority of crimes though. And hierarchical systems do a shitty job of preventing those crimes anyway (since they focus on individual punishment rather than communal restoration of justice).
Who will put them into prison though and run the prison if there’s no police?
Who will pay for the prison?
Prisons don’t work.
But that’s what the person I reacted to suggested:
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