The ones that psychology has to deal with all the time because they are a generalized problem of any society … Unfortunately for communism, it’s much more sensible to them, which is why most attempts at it usually degrade.
It’s not harmed more, it affects it more. This is due to its collective communal nature which makes it have more points of failure when poor mental health degrades the necessary trust and enforcement for such a system.
There’s only so much handholding I am willing to do for someone who is clearly biased, so if you want to continue this discussion, I’m going to have to ask you to give me an example of a modern day communist state so that I can provide you with examples within that state of what I’m saying.
What are these points of failure? Is your argument that some people shouldn’t be able to vote, or is your argument that Capitalists are definitionally better people than Workers, and therefore should have all of the control?
As for your second paragraph, Communist State is an oxymoron, and furthermore wouldn’t make a difference when discussing actual structures. If I pretended that Pinochet’s Chile, Batista’s Cuba, and Hitler’s Germany were the only ways to do Capitalism, then I would be making an equally disingenuous point.
I’m asking for actual points to be made, so far I’ve only seen you argue based on vibes, rather than structural facts.
Man is a lot less flawed than capitalists claim. Most of modern days peoples flaws are just reflections of the situations capitalism puts them in. People who aren’t in desperate situations are actually pretty great, on average. As long as you prevent the desperate situations and have safeguards against the few bad actors, there’s no reason to assume people will behave like scumbags.
Case in point. The flaws of have been getting documented ever since there was written history, it’s not something that’s really up for debate. What’s your take on psychology and how does the myriad number of documented mental health pathologies fit into it? Particular those of involving narcissistic personality disorders.
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The problem with communism is of trying to make idealism manifest without acknowledging the flaws of man.
What flaws of man give Communism problems?
The ones that psychology has to deal with all the time because they are a generalized problem of any society … Unfortunately for communism, it’s much more sensible to them, which is why most attempts at it usually degrade.
Structurally, why is Communism harmed more? None of what you just said actually explained anything.
It’s not harmed more, it affects it more. This is due to its collective communal nature which makes it have more points of failure when poor mental health degrades the necessary trust and enforcement for such a system.
There’s only so much handholding I am willing to do for someone who is clearly biased, so if you want to continue this discussion, I’m going to have to ask you to give me an example of a modern day communist state so that I can provide you with examples within that state of what I’m saying.
What are these points of failure? Is your argument that some people shouldn’t be able to vote, or is your argument that Capitalists are definitionally better people than Workers, and therefore should have all of the control?
As for your second paragraph, Communist State is an oxymoron, and furthermore wouldn’t make a difference when discussing actual structures. If I pretended that Pinochet’s Chile, Batista’s Cuba, and Hitler’s Germany were the only ways to do Capitalism, then I would be making an equally disingenuous point.
I’m asking for actual points to be made, so far I’ve only seen you argue based on vibes, rather than structural facts.
Right, so no example, end of discussion. Although preemptively damning talking about any example because it could be flawed, that’s a new one.
Man is a lot less flawed than capitalists claim. Most of modern days peoples flaws are just reflections of the situations capitalism puts them in. People who aren’t in desperate situations are actually pretty great, on average. As long as you prevent the desperate situations and have safeguards against the few bad actors, there’s no reason to assume people will behave like scumbags.
Case in point. The flaws of have been getting documented ever since there was written history, it’s not something that’s really up for debate. What’s your take on psychology and how does the myriad number of documented mental health pathologies fit into it? Particular those of involving narcissistic personality disorders.