Dave Chappelle has released a new Netflix special, The Dreamer, which is full of jokes about the trans community and disabled people.

“I love punching down!” he tells the audience, in a one-hour show that landed on the streaming service today (31 December).

It’s his seventh special for Netflix and comes two years after his last one, the highly controversial release The Closer.

That programme was criticised for its relentless jokes about the trans community, and Chappelle revisits the topic in his new show.

He tells jokes about trans women in prison, and about trans people “pretending” to be somebody they are not.

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    11 months ago

    Incorrect. You are explicitly complaining that a backlash for talking shit about people cannot mean they are “a group below you.”

    But suddenly you understand that groups being protected is a different thing. Hmm. Maybe you should apply that to the original context, instead of needing someone to point out the absurdity with paraphrased mockery.

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        11 months ago

        It’s punching down.

        You can figure this out on your own. I believe in you.

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          11 months ago

          So it’s barely related to the point and was made so a counter argument could easily knock over the point? That sounds like a straw man to me.

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            11 months ago

            It’s a demonstration by metaphor of how your argument is dishonest horseshit.

            As explained twice now.

            Do you actually give a shit about what words mean, or are you just clinging to something you can bitch about as if that makes your original jibe less stupid? Because again - you know what a protected group is. You introduced the concept, in this exchange. You can figure out how backlash for attacking a protected group does not magically imply they they are ‘above you.’

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              11 months ago

              It still makes your counter argument a straw man argument. Your anger about it won’t change that fact.

              If you read closely you’ll see I made the claim that protected groups are not below you. There’s a slight but important difference to your straw man where you said that a puppy is above you.

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                11 months ago

                Vulgarity is not anger. But since you are evidently just clinging to things you can bitch about, why not project emotion alongside it. Let me know if that helps.

                You’re lying, by the way - you made no such claim. It is neither explicit nor implicit. It exists between your ears. And it’s bullshit.

                Protected groups are obviously not “above you.” The poor, the sick, the dying - they are not your masters or whatever. They’re vulnerable.

                Attacking vulnerable groups makes you an asshole.

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                  11 months ago

                  I’ll just quote myself and you can point to where I’m lieing about my claim. Your anger is clouding your judgement and you are having trouble with reading comprehension.

                  If you read closely you’ll see I made the claim that protected groups are not below you.

                  A group of people that you can’t criticize or make fun of is not a group below you.

                  No where have I mentioned protected groups being above you.

                  Now a question for you do you think trans people are so weak and vulnerable that they can’t handle a joke?

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                    11 months ago

                    Ah, mea culpa. In that case it’s only totally irrelevant. Vulnerability is not an insult - obvious trolling hypocrite. It is not some failure of character to be poor or trans or a literal puppy. But these groups still face obstacles you will not, and they don’t need dishonest abuse paraded as mere criticism.

                    Bigotry with a punchline is still bigotry. Saying so is not the attack. The bigotry is the attack. This sneering gotcha horseshit of ‘are you saying they can’t handle me being an asshole toward them?’ doesn’t make anyone else an asshole.