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    11 months ago

    Look at this closely people.This is the misinformation campaign for the election.

    I dunno, is it that crazy to think the venn diagram of liberal voters and people that hate genocide are a near-perfect circle?

    Biden doing an end-around Congress to send more weapons, while we can all see how they are being used seems like a misinformation campaign?

    Frankly, why would voicing distaste for Biden or ones intention not to vote for him cause people to do the same??

    Like are you changing your mind right now? Of course not. A passionate person such as yourself should be even more determined to vote for Biden knowing i will not.

    I hate the bullshit shutdown tactic of calling an opinion an astroturf campaign.

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      It’s meant to keep voting democrats that are on the fence at home.

      It’s not just voicing distaste, it’s providing a rational justification to this voter pool which appeals to a “morality of the left” mindset of not voting for a candidate because of singular issues even though the totality of the candidate is much better than the alternative.

      It’s also providing a bad-faith argument. Another Trump presidency would completely back this and potentially fuel an internal racial cleansing once the cult gets new talking points on who the bad people are.

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        It’s meant to keep voting democrats that are on the fence at home.

        Meant? My comments are 'meant to do something? This just sounds goofy. Who actually thinks this way except pollsters and astroturfers? I have opinions, wrong and right, i share all of them on the Internet.

        it’s providing a rational justification to this voter pool which appeals to a “morality of the left” mindset

        I want to talk to you more deeply about this. Do you believe other people on lemmy are so credulous and yet so uninformed, so lacking in morality that reading about my opinion on it will sway them? These people are also voters that definitely vote normally, but are also so easy to manipulate that my words make them stop?

        It’s also providing a bad-faith argument. Another Trump presidency would completely…

        Stop.

        A bad faith argument would be to say that there are only 2 choices, but that really there is only one choice.

        That any argument against your belief is astroturf or a lie to help the opposition.

        That states a guess of what the other candidate would have done as fact.

        Who out of the two of us has done these things?

        Vote Biden! Vote hard, cuz i won’t. You, in the meantime need to stop talking, you do more harm than good to your cause.

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          Meant to do something?

          Not your comments, the other’s comments.

          Do you believe other people reading about my opinion will sway them?

          Yes I believe that there are people who will make decision opinion based on the social media discourse they read in the coming months. I would estimate its 15% of the voting population.

          A bad faith argument would be to say that there are only 2 choices, but that really there is only one choice.

          It is a bad faith argument because regardless of who is president, American Congressional support for Israel will continue. The original poster implied that by not voting, genocide would be avoided.

          Vote hard cuz I won’t

          Cool, if you’re not voting your opinion doesn’t matter.

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            It matters enough for you to write a point-for-pointer debunking it, tho. I wonder why

            Your thoughtless disrespect, misrepresenting of op’s position, and besmirching the intelligence of your fellow voters notwithstanding, the time you spent on your opus makes me happy, believe it or not.

            I hope you have a nice night :D

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            Not your comments, the other’s comments.

            So, my comments? Fuck off, I’m also just expressing my political positions!

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              Your political positions are inane and childish, please keep them in your head until you graduate high school.