• nicetriangle
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    995 months ago

    Sure feels like they timed this IPO pretty badly. I think the ideal time to strike on this would have been a few years ago… Based on market conditions anyway. Reddit itself may just not have had their ducks lined up enough, but that’s their problem, not the stock market’s.

    • Tech stocks trading sideways for the last year or two
    • The interest rate money printer got shut off and cash is not cheap anymore
    • Seemingly all the major new tech stock investment interest is circling around stuff like AI
    • Federated alternatives are slowly building steam and people seem to have gotten pretty salty about corporate social media
    • The pandemic is more or less over and people have pulled back from being chronically online somewhat (this is my guess, I don’t have data to back it up)

    Also what exactly is the monetization strategy? Ads I guess? More catering towards creating corporate “synergy” with the Reddit community? Selling user data/content? So basically making the place suck considerably worse for users is what it looks like to me.

    • @[email protected]
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      245 months ago

      Monetisation?

      Licensing the site to AI when there’s finally a ruling they can’t just scrape the internet for training data while ignoring copyright.

      • @Corkyskog
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        185 months ago

        I was told reddit has already been scraped for AI and all sorts of stuff. There is very little new value to sell.

        • @[email protected]
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          105 months ago

          Except AI models may end up having to start again with licences or public domain data.

          They are currently breaking the law and delaying legal action as long as possible in the hopes they can repeat the trick with a new data set.

          • @[email protected]
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            25 months ago

            Whatever already existed won’t be thrown away regardless of the ruling. It’s like throwing all the gold already dug up just because it was done by slave labor. The law and legal actions are mostly just a moat around the pile of gold already dug up. Sure AI companies will have to pay more for the new data from other sources. However that would be peanut compared to how much they will have to pay starting from zero.

            • @[email protected]
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              15 months ago

              If every time what already exists gets used there’s a risk of a massive fine or court case they’ll throw it away.

              The game now is to delay the legal process long enough until they’ve built the replacement.

              Then they can afford to throw the, essentially faulty, model away.

              • @[email protected]
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                15 months ago

                It’s not at all clear that the current model does breach the law.

                If it was a court would have issued an injunction or whatever.

                • @[email protected]
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                  15 months ago

                  It’s clear from the output that it breaks copyright.

                  We don’t have to look inside the black box to demand to see the input which caused that output.

                  To be clear a machine is not responsible for itself. This machine was trained to break copyright.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    05 months ago

                    Generally if someone is clearly in breach of copyright the rights holder will apply to a court to issue an injunction to order that company to cease their activities until a case can be resolved.

                    Given that has not happened, it seems that from a court’s perspective, it’s not a clear breach of copyright.

                • @[email protected]
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                  15 months ago

                  My point is that corporations often see a fine as a cost of business because the fines are issued by a regulatory system that has no teeth.

                  If you’re in a lawsuit against another corporation they are going after damages in civil court and it’s likely to be a high enough fine to stop the behaviour.

          • @[email protected]
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            25 months ago

            No they’ll train on laundered model output. Like every llama.

            The investment thesis they the data is valuable is bonkers. It’s not. Not only has it been exfiltrated and can be laundered in a dozen ways, Reddit also won’t be able to effectively assert copyright.

            Look at Facebook. It’s full of reposted quora content now with AI images and AI laundered text.

            Reddit is dead

        • nicetriangle
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          65 months ago

          Yeah that was kinda my understanding too. And regardless of my feelings on it, I think rulings are mostly gonna go in AI’s favor.

    • @[email protected]
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      15 months ago

      They already make money with ads. Killing third party apps was part of this, now they can control exactly how you see ads. It’s the same as any other social media now, they recommend you content, which is exactly not the point of reddit.

      • nicetriangle
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        15 months ago

        Reddit’s been running ads for a while and has never turned a profit