The answer is no, the American political system cannot survive a high percentage of willful contrarianism. This is true because the mechanisms to change the system require support from those bad actors as well, and the popular vote can do very little to fix if.
But did we really? I read my history, and if not for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the US would have either not joined WW2, or would have joined on the side of Germany.
The first CIA director (Before the CIA was formed) was doing spy shit in Europe before the US joined the war, and was very friendly with Hitler’s government. He reportedly cried actual tears when the US joined the was against Germany.
There were Nazi marches in the US in the 30s, but they weren’t popular for one reason only. The US population didn’t like that the Nazi ideology was German. The Homegrown Fascists were more popular. Especially the America First movement.
Whoa whoa whoa. Next thing I bet you’ll tell me that there was a fascist coup plot in the 1930s. At the exact same time as Hitler’s beerhall putch or something. Hell I bet it would be something even more ridiculous than that. Like when it was found out instead of prosecuting and hanging all those involved. FDR the target of the plot would instead negotiate with fascist, I mean Republicans. To pass his new deal legislation in return for not going after them. And that at least of the implicated businessmen would go on to become a senator shortly after being caught. Ironically being the father and grandfather of two future presidents or something.
It’s not capitulation, it’s an acknowledgment that this is cancer, not a virus.
America is not under attack, it’s suffering from actions of its own people. We can’t keep pretending like Trump or his supporters are an aberration, they are a significant portion of this country, and if we cannot change them, or change how the system works without their agreement, then we’re stuck like this for quite some time until some sort of generational or cultural shift happens.
It’s not nihilism, it’s seeing the state of the field and acknowledging what the actual problem is. The question then is what we do about it, and chiefly, how much time we have left to do something about it before the damage becomes irreparable.
Mitch McConnell won his seat with the help of the negative ads saying thr Incumbent wasn’t doing his job and was absent from voting way too many times. Kentucky was solidly Democratic at that point.
Maybe some of these superpacs need to hammer that point home.
That was in 1985, when conservativism was on the rise, and even then, it was extremely close.
But frankly I doubt it would even work today, and definitely not in Kentucky. What ads could Democrats run that is more effective than the Fox News Kentuckians injects into their veins now? The country is pretty significantly different now when it comes to politics and campaigning, and the demographics of Kentucky have shifted too. Kentucky is solidly Trump country now
Just like Ohio has become. Sherrod Brown has an outstanding Congressional record, he’s been well liked for many terms, and he’s been able to straddle the gulf between being a (mostly) progressive Democrat in an increasingly red state. It’s remarkable he won his seat back in 2018. He’s been a terrific Senator, but to spite all that, his seat is in real jeopardy, and it’s entirely because of the letter next to his name.
Kind of a definitional issue, isn’t it? We have to tolerate it under our political system, because that’s how our political system works. Deciding not to tolerate it requires discarding or ignoring the rules of our political system. So whether it’s them or us knifing it, the answer to the question is no, our political system won’t survive, by definition.
(There’s nothing particularly sacrosanct about it, so the important question is whether we can fundamentally change our political system without too much violence.)
I do agree. Overall humanity lost big time as many who resisted died and/or were enslaved, but in the long run society healed and we had another peaceful era. If the 4th Turning theory is correct this is just how it goes.
How to tell everyone you live a sheltered, privileged life protected from starvation and strife. If you imagine a “global reset” as some nice, equality-bringing thing you’re incredibly naive.
Humanity is not the problem, this system is. Capitalism is a plague, we’ve been infected. The cure is not to kill all of the infected. I get where you’re coming from tho.
Humans have been beneficial actors in ecology for millenia. This abberstion we’re living through must end. A powerful and benefitial humanity woild be better for the ecological health of the earth.
We may all have the potential to become Wendigo but that’s not all we are. It’s not all that we have been either. Braiding Sweetgrass is an interesting book on this subject. You can probably find a copy at a library if you’d like an in depth perspective from an indigenous person.
We have caused a 6th mass extinction event. We are comparable to a meteor capable of almost sterilizing the planet, or a super volcano altering time on a geological scale. I pray we burn ourselves out before we can spread to other planets.
The answer is no, the American political system cannot survive a high percentage of willful contrarianism. This is true because the mechanisms to change the system require support from those bad actors as well, and the popular vote can do very little to fix if.
I’m tired of this nihilist capitulation
Those bullies live in communities, and those communities have to tolerate it for it to wipe out America
We stood up to these assholes in the 30s we can do it now
But did we really? I read my history, and if not for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the US would have either not joined WW2, or would have joined on the side of Germany.
The first CIA director (Before the CIA was formed) was doing spy shit in Europe before the US joined the war, and was very friendly with Hitler’s government. He reportedly cried actual tears when the US joined the was against Germany.
There were Nazi marches in the US in the 30s, but they weren’t popular for one reason only. The US population didn’t like that the Nazi ideology was German. The Homegrown Fascists were more popular. Especially the America First movement.
Whoa whoa whoa. Next thing I bet you’ll tell me that there was a fascist coup plot in the 1930s. At the exact same time as Hitler’s beerhall putch or something. Hell I bet it would be something even more ridiculous than that. Like when it was found out instead of prosecuting and hanging all those involved. FDR the target of the plot would instead negotiate with fascist, I mean Republicans. To pass his new deal legislation in return for not going after them. And that at least of the implicated businessmen would go on to become a senator shortly after being caught. Ironically being the father and grandfather of two future presidents or something.
Who was that Bushes grandfather?
It was ole grave robbing Prescott Bush.
It’s not capitulation, it’s an acknowledgment that this is cancer, not a virus.
America is not under attack, it’s suffering from actions of its own people. We can’t keep pretending like Trump or his supporters are an aberration, they are a significant portion of this country, and if we cannot change them, or change how the system works without their agreement, then we’re stuck like this for quite some time until some sort of generational or cultural shift happens.
It’s not nihilism, it’s seeing the state of the field and acknowledging what the actual problem is. The question then is what we do about it, and chiefly, how much time we have left to do something about it before the damage becomes irreparable.
Mitch McConnell won his seat with the help of the negative ads saying thr Incumbent wasn’t doing his job and was absent from voting way too many times. Kentucky was solidly Democratic at that point.
Maybe some of these superpacs need to hammer that point home.
That was in 1985, when conservativism was on the rise, and even then, it was extremely close.
But frankly I doubt it would even work today, and definitely not in Kentucky. What ads could Democrats run that is more effective than the Fox News Kentuckians injects into their veins now? The country is pretty significantly different now when it comes to politics and campaigning, and the demographics of Kentucky have shifted too. Kentucky is solidly Trump country now
Just like Ohio has become. Sherrod Brown has an outstanding Congressional record, he’s been well liked for many terms, and he’s been able to straddle the gulf between being a (mostly) progressive Democrat in an increasingly red state. It’s remarkable he won his seat back in 2018. He’s been a terrific Senator, but to spite all that, his seat is in real jeopardy, and it’s entirely because of the letter next to his name.
Give it 6 years and it’ll be the 30s again. The wheel weaves as the wheel wills.
Kind of a definitional issue, isn’t it? We have to tolerate it under our political system, because that’s how our political system works. Deciding not to tolerate it requires discarding or ignoring the rules of our political system. So whether it’s them or us knifing it, the answer to the question is no, our political system won’t survive, by definition.
(There’s nothing particularly sacrosanct about it, so the important question is whether we can fundamentally change our political system without too much violence.)
Historically speaking, “without too much violence” has included a full-blown war.
Both of you seem to be correct, but dystopian.
That’s just it: reality is a dystopia for most. Any accurate analysis will sound dystopic, because that’s what it’s describing.
That is the part I really do not understand. History has shown time and time again that the people always win.
I think what’s happening in the US today rhymes hard on the fall of the Roman Republic.
And I’m sorry, but I don’t think the people won back then.
I do agree. Overall humanity lost big time as many who resisted died and/or were enslaved, but in the long run society healed and we had another peaceful era. If the 4th Turning theory is correct this is just how it goes.
There’s no such thing as “the people” when the country is so divided.
If you don’t see an American and eventually global reset as a good thing, you’re part of the problem.
How to tell everyone you live a sheltered, privileged life protected from starvation and strife. If you imagine a “global reset” as some nice, equality-bringing thing you’re incredibly naive.
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Very mature.
Edit: This is the kind of shit that gets up votes and the mods leave up for hours around here? People telling me to kill myself?
You literally said, all humans should die.
Is that what you got out of my comment, everyone pinky promise that we all kill ourselves at the same time?
Jesus christ, kid 🤦.
Humanity is not the problem, this system is. Capitalism is a plague, we’ve been infected. The cure is not to kill all of the infected. I get where you’re coming from tho.
Humans have been beneficial actors in ecology for millenia. This abberstion we’re living through must end. A powerful and benefitial humanity woild be better for the ecological health of the earth.
I disagree. Humans have been a net negative force since before agriculture. How many megafauna did we hunt to extinction so that we could spread?
We may all have the potential to become Wendigo but that’s not all we are. It’s not all that we have been either. Braiding Sweetgrass is an interesting book on this subject. You can probably find a copy at a library if you’d like an in depth perspective from an indigenous person.
We have caused a 6th mass extinction event. We are comparable to a meteor capable of almost sterilizing the planet, or a super volcano altering time on a geological scale. I pray we burn ourselves out before we can spread to other planets.