You’re not wrong but I think things have been much worse in the past few years thanks to trumpism and social media using destructive algorithms. I only see a future for the US if a non-GOP candidate wins.
This is sort of an open question to anyone listening.
How long do you think the US can keep the GOP out of winning the presidency if nothing changes politically?
In the past 100 years the longest a political party has held office has been two presidents. So even if Joe Biden wins this next election there is a high probability the Republicans will win eventually.
and made a mistake that every president only lasted one term (I don’t know how). What I should’ve said is that no party has lasted 2 presidents in a row. My point still stands though just that it will take longer than just this election year.
Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U. S. federal government in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U. S. presidential election.
You’re saying you feel that your choices are being stuck under a fascist government, or alter the system so the repubs can’t win?
Essentially creating a one party system in either scenario - which is just full circle to being a non-democratic country. Historically, this usually leads to the concentration of wealth to a small group.
This is the divisive death spiral I’m referring to. Either way might lead to one party dominating everything, and the downfall of symbolic freedom that the US represents to the world
You’re framing this like democrats want to rig the system against the GOP. The truth is that Dems want to institute democratic reforms that strengthen the voting power of average Americans.
Will that create a system where Republicans can’t win? Probably, and good riddance. If they want to win, they need to have actually popular policies. That’s how democracy works.
If they want to win, they need to have actually popular policies.
☝️ The GOP values & strategy have changed over time. They would probably still exist as a party, but they would need to change their approach. Today’s GOP is not the party of Lincoln.
Speaking of which, you know that the Republicans didn’t always exist, right? But before them, it wasn’t just One-party rule by Democrats, the Whig party existed. A first-past -the-post voting system structurally incentivises two-party rule.
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m saying that at the current moment (with the current political system in the US) those are the options.
Option C is only an option if a significant majority believe that a third party can win which is not what a majority of people believe. It is like a catch 22.
What I am mainly saying is that things are likely going to change but the way in which that happens is unclear.
You’re not wrong but I think things have been much worse in the past few years thanks to trumpism and social media using destructive algorithms. I only see a future for the US if a non-GOP candidate wins.
Roughly 1/3rd (maybe slightly less) of the US population looks like it has the same feeling, but directed in the opposite direction.
Another 1/3rd feels the way you do, and the remaining 1/3rd doesn’t care to vote
Common ground then, I don’t think will be found with continuing this game of duopoly
You’re right though, that Trumpism era caused more divide, but there’s even more folks paying attention now thanks to that
All just my opinion as an outsider though, maybe I’m not seeing everything
This is sort of an open question to anyone listening.
How long do you think the US can keep the GOP out of winning the presidency if nothing changes politically?
In the past 100 years the longest a political party has held office has been two presidents. So even if Joe Biden wins this next election there is a high probability the Republicans will win eventually.
What happens then?
Edit: Corrected mistake.
Two terms? 80, 84, 88.
Yeah I realized I was wrong. I was looking at the following list: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Presidents-of-the-United-States-1846696
and made a mistake that every president only lasted one term (I don’t know how). What I should’ve said is that no party has lasted 2 presidents in a row. My point still stands though just that it will take longer than just this election year.
Our hope is that once boomers die off the GOP will lose much of its political clout.
The cycle continues.
Worst case scenario it leads to a death spiral
Best case scenario they keep each other in check to maintain the system, but not much will change
The GOP has plans to implement a fascist takeover of the government if they get in power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
I don’t think things can stay the same.
Either they eventually win and implement this plan.
Or our political system is overhauled so it isn’t likely that they win ever again.
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Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U. S. federal government in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U. S. presidential election.
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You’re saying you feel that your choices are being stuck under a fascist government, or alter the system so the repubs can’t win?
Essentially creating a one party system in either scenario - which is just full circle to being a non-democratic country. Historically, this usually leads to the concentration of wealth to a small group.
This is the divisive death spiral I’m referring to. Either way might lead to one party dominating everything, and the downfall of symbolic freedom that the US represents to the world
I’d take option C - vote in someone different
You’re framing this like democrats want to rig the system against the GOP. The truth is that Dems want to institute democratic reforms that strengthen the voting power of average Americans.
Will that create a system where Republicans can’t win? Probably, and good riddance. If they want to win, they need to have actually popular policies. That’s how democracy works.
Who else competes against the DNC that the majority would vote for?
You’d be stuck with one massive party
☝️ The GOP values & strategy have changed over time. They would probably still exist as a party, but they would need to change their approach. Today’s GOP is not the party of Lincoln.
Speaking of which, you know that the Republicans didn’t always exist, right? But before them, it wasn’t just One-party rule by Democrats, the Whig party existed. A first-past -the-post voting system structurally incentivises two-party rule.
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m saying that at the current moment (with the current political system in the US) those are the options.
Option C is only an option if a significant majority believe that a third party can win which is not what a majority of people believe. It is like a catch 22.
What I am mainly saying is that things are likely going to change but the way in which that happens is unclear.
Yeah fair points. It’s been entertaining to watch from the outside at the very least, and I’m sorry you have to live through it - sincerely.
The US sends shockwaves to Canada though, so I might be in your boat soon enough