• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Nah, China hasn’t been stealing anything. Western companies made an explicit choice to do business in China at the cost of tech transfer. Today, China has long outpaced the west in many technological areas. Meanwhile, imagine still peddling cultural genocide conspiracy theories. If you want to see what actual cultural genocide looks like then go to US or Canada and see what settlers did to the indigenous population.

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      Here’s when they stole military hardware specs:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-hackers-took-trillions-in-intellectual-property-from-about-30-multinational-companies/

      Here’s when they stole turbine designs:

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64206950

      Here’s where s Chinese worker literally stole a troubleshooting robot from T-Mobile, Chinese companies stole electric vehicle designs, it just goes on and on:

      https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-us-china-trade-war-ip-theft-20190221-story.html

      Chinese companies steal constantly. Companies who work with them know that there will be technology transfer, not that there will be blatant, illegal theft Chinese individuals and companies regularly perpetrate.

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        It’s absolutely adorable that you think only Chinese companies do this, like corporate espionage doesn’t exist in the west. 😂

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          Ah, making up new points that weren’t asserted because you lost the argument. Classic yogi.

          Corporate espionage occurs everywhere, It’s just blatant with Chinese spies, case in point being that fellow who lifted up a robot and walked out of the T-Mobile laboratories with it.

          You said that China doesn’t commit corporate espionage and theft constantly so I listed half a dozen recent cases with actual evidence and convictions that show they do.

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            I didn’t lose any argument. All companies steal tech from each other everywhere all the time. The claim you were trying to make is that China somehow steals from the west at state level as a policy. Today, China is way ahead of the west in many areas technologically, I guess using your galaxy brain logic they must be stealing it from the future.

            The best part here is that you genuinely think you made a good and coherent point. 😂

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              You lied. I did not claim that China is stealing from the west at state level as a policy.

              Today China is not technologically ahead of “the west.” This is very easy to see if you look at the above links, showing the times that China has blatantly stolen basic design and tech that they shouldn’t need if they were ahead of even just the US. Since China is behind the US technologically, they are constantly stealing designs and technology from the US.

              Now we’ll just ignore all the things that you are making up and focus on what actually happened.

              You incorrectly claim that Chinese companies and spies do not constantly commit corporate espionage and steel technology and designs from the west.

              Above, there are half a dozen clear cut recent examples of China stealing designs and technology from the west.

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                China has hypersonic missiles, usa does not. Tell me how they “stole” them.

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                  You mean those missiles lockheed martin had in the 70s? That LM is working with DARPA on now that other countries have caught up? The missiles we already have a working defense system for?

                  Those missiles?

                  "Chinese hypersonic missiles are dependent on American technology smuggled to China through Chinese companies because “American technology — such as highly specialized aeronautical engineering software — fills critical gaps in domestic technology and is key to advances in Chinese weaponry.”

                  That’s how. Smuggling. Normal, boring smuggling.

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/17/china-hypersonic-missiles-american-technology/

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                  Ah yes, their"potential" and 'possible" advancements.

                  These articles do not actually measure technology, they measure the amount of money the ccp is investing in tech in order to catch up with the US and articles published, regardless of the content.

                  When you discover the metrics by which these “leads” are established, it’s easy to see why the “leading” country in 37 tech fields is so desperate to steal technology from the US.

                  Person B is a not a better painter than person A because they bought more paintbrushes.

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        China has hypersonic missiles, usa does not. They don’t need to copy, because their stuff is better.

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          They probably don’t NEED to steal/copy to develop tech, but they still do. And not because their tech is better.

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          Exactly, China leads in lots of areas. 5G tech, quantum communication, bullet trains, nuclear power, just to name a few. People who keep claiming that China is just stealing and copying western tech are just ignorant racists.

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            The examples you choose, yogi.

            • The US is leading China in all quantum fields except quantum communications if you consider putting already-developed tech(by the US) into a satellite a “lead”. Is that what you mean?

            • Maglev trains developed by Britain, Japan and Germany, yes what a technical coup for the CCP.

            • Nuclear power? This false claim makes no sense. The US is way ahead technologically of everyone else and lots of European countries have had working nuclear power plants for decades.