• mindbleach
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    8 months ago

    Answer the question. Is “exceeding its authority” the justification, in the first half of that sentence?

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      8 months ago

      Ensuring a free state is the why, citizens owning guns is how

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        ‘We need X to do Y, therefore Z’ makes X the how.

        We objectively do not do X anymore. Not in any way that requires Z.

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          If you want MAGAs in government and law enforcement to be the only ones with guns then that’s your decision. The 2nd amendment makes sure everyone else doesn’t have to do that.

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            ‘American gun culture prevents American fascism’ is not what happened so far. They have a relationship. That’s not it.

            And again: the amendment justifies guns guns guns with a militia that no longer exists. It’s one sentence that does not say what you want.

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              8 months ago

              with a militia that no longer exists.

              So you’re wrong here. But even if you weren’t, nowhere in the amendment does it say belonging to a militia is a requirement

              ‘American gun culture prevents American fascism’ is not what happened so far. They have a relationship. That’s not it.

              So passing gun control because the black panthers were arming themselves for protection against fascists is a success story for you?

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                It literally says it’s for a militia. And that militia was replaced by the US Army.

                The second amendment is about the state being able to raise an armed posse to defend the state.

                So passing gun control because the black panthers were arming themselves for protection against fascists is a success story for you?

                You lead a rich inner life.

                I am the one pointing out, gun-nut culture doesn’t give a fuck about stopping fascism. Gun-nut culture doesn’t even care about a right to guns, if it’s the targets of fascism who have the guns. Since before I was born, American gun culture has been nigh-inseparable from the fascists you think it’ll stop.

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                  8 months ago

                  It literally says it’s for a militia.

                  It literally does not say anything about requiring membership in a militia. Otherwise it would say the right of a militia to keep and bear arms, not the people.

                  You lead a rich inner life.

                  So just totally ignorant of the history of gun control then?

                  I am the one pointing out, gun-nut culture doesn’t give a fuck about stopping fascism.

                  Good thing those aren’t the only people who are allowed to own guns then right?

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                    Militias work like jury duty.

                    There is no “membership.” Any man could be called up. It’s a posse, but bigger. And it was BYOG.

                    That is literally the only reason the second amendment gives. ‘We need farmers to bring guns when we first-act-of-Mulan them, so don’t go limiting that.’

                    They weren’t so you could fight the army.

                    They were so you could fight in the army.

                    So just totally ignorant of the history of gun control then?

                    If you have to pretend ‘fascists abusing the Black Panthers despite their guns does not help your nonsense argument’ means I am denying that fascists abused the Black Panthers, you do not speak English.

                    Who is allowed to own guns is a game of what-if. Who does own guns is reality.