The VA can’t even handle veteran care properly, this is just kicking veterans while they’re down.

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      Yep, just like you. I know it sounds really great because it is! Just look at most other developed countries.

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        You realize that isn’t a good argument. People in other countries have to wait much longer than most Americans for medical care. That is one of the complaints of the switching systems. Americans also concerned with the increase in taxes. We are already being taxed to death.

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          That’s not the case.

          “Patients in peer nations generally have similar or shorter wait times than patients in the United States for a variety of services, refuting the argument that universal coverage would necessarily result in longer wait times in the future.”

          https://www.americanprogress.org/article/truth-wait-times-universal-coverage-systems/

          Americans also concerned with the increase in taxes

          We pay more than those with universal healthcare because we pay for middlemen, advertisements, and other bloat that corporations cause. It would ultimately save us money to ditch the corporate middlemen and have a service that works for everyone:

          “Second, we compared extending the current system with the alternative Medicare for All policy, which can save the same number of lives at a cost that is $631 billion lower than the cost of extending the current system.”

          https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30857-6/fulltext

          Even if it wasn’t cost effective (it is far more cost effective), it’s the morally correct thing to do to treat the sick.

          We are already being taxed to death.

          And that’s because the rich do not pay their fair share. We are taking on a tax burden that the rich unfairly shoved onto us, but that’s a different discussion. One that conservatives don’t care about as evidenced by the complete lack of post on the matter in this sub.

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            If i may, i might even suggest that treating the sick is the Christian thing to do. Not that I’m religious, it’s just a great sentiment.

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              If Jesus came back and visited a Trump rally, they would have crucified him a second time for daring to suggest something as communist as “treat the sick”.

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                  You’re not actually addressing what I am saying, instead you’re going off on an unrelated tangent.

                  “Trump supporters are anti Jesus”

                  “Trump did good thing”

                  Trump doing good thing doesn’t negate or address the hostility Trump supporters have for Jesus’s teachings.

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                    I just proved to you that that isn’t true. I get you want to be dramatic and use hyperbole, but I have not seen people ignoring the teachings of Jesus because they support Trump.

                    Maybe instead of making things up, you should realize you are making personal attacks against a large group of people that are not true.