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    11 months ago

    I mean if you’re still supporting Republicans you’re kind of the problem.

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        11 months ago

        So do you just wake up as a curmudgeonly dingus, or does it take a few hours of the day for you to get like that?

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      11 months ago

      What chides me the most is the underlying origin of the Republican Party, the very much needed fiscal conservatism, is now missing. It’s been traded for saboteurs rigging things to fail so they can gut chunks of government.

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        11 months ago

        Was “fiscal conservatism” the origin of the Republican party?

        From wiki:

        The new Republican Party envisioned modernizing the United States, emphasizing expanded banking, more railroads and factories, and giving free western land to farmers (“free soil”) as opposed to letting slave owners buy up the best properties. It vigorously argued that free market labor was superior to slavery and was the very foundation of civic virtue and true republicanism; this was the “Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Men” ideology.

        Fiscal conservatism is just a GOP invented MacGuffin to give them cover when they employ their advisorial antigovernance strategy. Every time we put a conservative in charge they blow the deficit up and funnel money to their backers.

        Then they cry fiscal conservatism when a DEM takes power and say we need to cut social programs. Fiscal conservatism is a lie people continue to believe in because they hate anyone getting a break that isn’t themselves. Themselves or wealthy white men who they project their own ambitions onto.

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      11 months ago

      If you still believe the Democrats are going to come through on universal healthcare or free college, you’re also part of the problem.

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          I feel like if our voting system wasn’t skewed so heavily toward Republicans (between the Electoral College, gerrymandering being legal, and a general “states can run their elections however they want” to allow Republican-controlled states to make whatever changes they want to favor themselves), we’d see a lot more progress. Instead, it’s harder and harder for liberals to vote, the votes count for less and less, and we’re barely scraping to just vote out fascists (if possible).

          Fix the voting system, and we might get something worthwhile out of Democrats other than undoing some of their predecessors terrible actions and giving just enough to their supporters to whet their appetite without ever leaving them satisfied.

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          Democrats’ only real incentive is to be better than Republicans.

          I disagree with that…their only incentive these days is to NOT be Republicans. They’ve taken up traditional right leaning republican policy at this point and are getting away with it. For example: The ACA is terrible, we NEED universal healthcare, however, the D’s are content letting big health insurance continue to rape the US. The D’s have also strongly backed off climate protections, and honestly, it’s too late for climate change so that’s maybe moot.

          The point is, they don’t have any incentive to actually push policy…they just need to point and say “Republicans are bad” and the donations roll in.

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          11 months ago

          Wait so your plan is to wait for the republican party to become progressive?

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        11 months ago

        No one is deluding themselves into thinking that will happen. The alternative, voting for Trump, however, is unacceptable.

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        You mean literally mainstream policy positions for Democrats?

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          Agreed that it’s harder, but that “private for-profit industry” shouldn’t exist. It needs to be abolished. Democrats loooooove their Obamacare, but all Obama did was make that industry mandatory. That’s the opposite of abolishing it.

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        11 months ago

        I believe Democrats will at least make proposals to improve healthcare coverage and free college. More importantly, there has been significant progress over the last four years or so.