The problem is that there’s a huge divide between people that see this and people that are mainly interested in their own profit that now even turn to right wing politicians when you even suggest that they should change their lifestyle as it’s not sustainable
The world is truly fucked because we created too many people that are too focussed on themselves to consider stepping down for others…
I feel like all the news subs on Lemmy are slowly turning into a sixth form politics class with all the commie stuff recently. Is anyone here over the age of twenty, lol.
I’ve noticed it’s certain users pushing this and it’s not even pro-communism it’s just pro-Chinese propaganda. They’re not trying to elevate people’s state of living, rather just pushing interests that benefit the Chinese government.
Theres on particular one who seems to be spamming all news subs. I called them out the other day and got dogpiled by people on their instance so I assume that’s their bag over there.
Yup. Communism might be a viable thing and can be discussed neutrally but pro-China is just muddying the waters. They’re pseudofascism
pro-Chinese propaganda
That’s really what it is. There’s no balanced discussion. Just rabid nationalism and xenophobia that clearly breaks the rules. But because it’s directed at the West, it gets a pass, I guess?
I think the fact that there is a variety of opinions being posted, compared to the censorship I witnessed on Reddit, is the more mature situation. If anyone is being childish, it’s those who feel the need to censor opposing ideologies. Feeling free to post and discuss differing views has a lot of value. I am assuming by your use of “commie” that you’d rather dismiss an entire ideology and group of supporters outright rather than on any real grounds.
What opinions and ideologies are you referring to exactly? What discussions are you referring to?
This person is simply pushing the interests of the Chinese government and only replies insults and bad faith arguments when you try to engage in “discussion” or comment “opposing ideologies.” They’re not advocating for communism, they’re advocating for their specific government to control more. Pretty laughable especially in the context of censorship considering China monitors their entire nation’s internet traffic and censors everything that isn’t pro-China.
You should check out [email protected]. Lot fewer tankies being useful idiots there. The magic of the fediverse 🪄
Thanks for the tip. I’ll get subbed. Seems like a lot of these types seem to be coming from a couple of instances.
Lemmy attracts more activists, while Reddit attracts more passive users. This was by design, and if you’re unhappy with it then Reddit is still freely available.
Are you really surprised that activists aren’t happy with the West?
I’m not particularly happy with it, but I don’t loathe it. There’s a difference between being unhappy with your own country and holding water for dodgy places like China and Russia.
Russia and China are in completely different domains imo.
At least China is trying to do some good in the world (not out of the goodness of their own hearts, but because they want to build China’s China for cheap labour… And that’s ok).
China doesn’t have cheap labor anymore, they have a aging population and no next generation taking over.
That’s why they need Africa lol
I mean, in not arguing that China haven’t contributed to the world economy and helped us get access to cheap tech and consumer good, but I think it’s fair to criticise their approach to human rights.
For sure. Those problems are domestic, though, so to some degree it is a little hypocritical of us given the rather poor track record of North Americans and indigenous peoples.
As a Canadian, I do feel like me criticizing China for its treatment of some indigenous groups would be rather hypocritical given how Canada treated the First Nations people (the last residential school closed in 1997).
It’s only hypocritical if you approve of it in Canada.
If we all stay silent on topics because our individual countries have deeply problematic pasts, then we all stay silent.
We can be vocal about it at home and abroad.
No country has a perfect history, go back far enough and we all have dark periods in how we’ve treated people. However that shouldn’t mean we can criticise countries who are still doing so now in what’s supposed to be a more progressive and enlightened world.
That’s fair, but it just feels wrong to be criticizing other countries when we aren’t even doing enough for those who suffered in our own countries. It’s hypocritical.
lemmy.ml was started by tankies and lots of tankie post here. Other servers are not simply Chinese propaganda.
OP is an angry tankie who, to their credit, surfaces topics. Any of us can, few of us do.
Until and unless a more diverse set of people surface news/topics, we’ll have the status quo.
OP is an angry tankie who, to their credit, surfaces topics. Any of us can, few of us do.
Until and unless a more diverse set of people surface news/topics, we’ll have the status quo.
Oh no, you’ve wandered off reddit and found out that people have different political views outside your walled garden. Now you feel the need to sound edgy.
That will never happen. We created capitalism and globalism. The genie is out of the box and it’s not going back in… not until the planet is destoryed. Just try to enjoy what we have while it lasts.
How does the unprecedented sanctions regime on Russia play into your “globalization is unstoppable” hypothesis? It sure looks like the global economy is actually bifurcating into “the US and friends” and “everyone else”.
Globalism is unraveling as we speak, and capitalism will die with it. No system lasts forever.
Lol, imagine being this unhinged from reality. If your baseless dreams do come to pass and the system does fall apart, it will mean billions dead from famine, disease, and war. Your vision is death and destruction, not salvation.
That’s what the rich want you to think
The least ignorant American has logged on.
So he is correct? You like death and destruction?
Are you a psychopath?
I didn’t say I like capitalism.
I can’t wait for the entire world to collapse like the soviet union did.
Oh wow, such an intelligent comment, because clearly no capitalist country has collapsed ever. 😂
I never made that assertion but okay yes, there have been capitalist countries that have collapsed… Also, can you name a communist country that hasn’t collapsed?
Laos, China, Vietnam, and Cuba come to mind. It’s kind of incredible that anyone would ask such an absurd question seriously.
Except… None of those are communist countries. They’re all mixed economy countries with varying degrees of private and public corporate infrastructure. And China of all countries lmao. Theyre the most capitalist of that bunch. They only thing they kept from communism was the rampant authoratarianism. Its kind of increble that anyone would make such an absurd statement seriously.
Maybe you should actually learn what communism is before advocating for it.
It’s pretty hilarious that you’re telling me to learn what communism is while evidently having the most superficial understanding possible. All these countries are led by communist parties, and the working class is the class that’s in charge in these countries.
You are correct that these countries are in the socialist phase of development where many of the vestigial relations from capitalist society are still present. However, anybody who actually understands communist theory knows that this is a necessary stage. You can’t just take a capitalist society and turn it communist overnight. Especially not in a world that’s dominated by global capitalism.
Might want to read some Marx to educate yourself on the subject.
Communism and globalism are aligned. Capitalism has to go tho
I’d call it internationalism instead of globalism. Globalism has connotations with capitalism and colonialism and not a term I’d want to associate with communism at this point.
I’ll use either or. I’ll also use communism as a positive term even though it’s been tainted by reactionaries claiming it to themselves
Just yesterday you commented the vomit emoji when someone posted the Taiwanese flag because you think they should be under the control of China rather than governing themselves. Sure sounds like you’re pro colonialism to me.
Sure sounds like you don’t understand what colonialism is to me.
I understand it quite well which is why I can identify when people like you are promoting it. If you had a rebuttal or explanation you would have stated it rather than resorting to a logical fallacy in your reply.
You keep saying that you do, but clearly you don’t. Alternatively, you don’t understand the history of the province, and the civil war in China. In either case, what you’re saying is deeply ignorant.
