• BruceTwarzen@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      I’m not american, but isn’t calling yourself not progressive kinda… Shit? Why would you ever say that you don’t like progress?

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        He didn’t say that. He said he is willing to have a discussion about immigration policy with republicans.

        Whoever wrote the article is trying to speak on behalf of an entire political group called “Progressives” by claiming everyone in the group came to a unanimous decision to not discuss immigration (this isn’t true).

        So the writer of the article is claiming Fetterman isn’t a part of the group of Progressives because Fetterman is willing to do his job by being diplomatic.

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          He said he is willing to have a discussion about immigration policy with republicans.

          “Let’s hear the literal fascists who compare even legal immigrants to vermin and invading armies out. I’m sure they’ll be willing to reach a reasonable compromise” 🙄

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            1 year ago

            You can’t just throw a temper tantrum and expect to get your way. Diplomacy is required to actually get things done.

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              Let me know when you see Republicans try any. I haven’t seen it during my lifetime, but hey, there’s always this time 🙄

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              Who said anything about a temper tantrum? Could you please try and refrain from using ridiculous pro-capitulation strawmen?

              Calmly refusing to negotiate with fascists about one of their favorite “if we give an inch, we’re traitors” issues because you know nothing good will come from it isn’t having a temper tantrum. It’s being realistic.

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                So you don’t think our politicians should ever be diplomatic or just when on the subject of immigration reform?

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                  I don’t think politicians should grandstand for cheap points about good faith negotiations with domestic terrorists whose re-election depends on negotiating in bad faith or not negotiating at all.

                  I wouldn’t brag about negotiating with cats about them going vegan either, and that would have a BETTER chance of bearing fruit.

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                    So regardless of the subject you want our government in gridlock and our politicians to not get anything done. Got it.

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              This isn’t a let’s hash out an immigration deal where both sides get a little of what they want regarding immigration reform, it’s submitting to hostage takers for an entirely unrelated issue that shouldn’t really be partisan.

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        Progressive is often used as a blanket term that basically means that you are farther left than the Democratic party. Not that he doesn’t like progress, just that he is not pursuing the end of capitalism or something in that direction if even slightly.

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        It is a label that is applied to a small group of democrats only, as far as I understand.

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        It’s all just labels, it’s not really the etemology of the word that people care about, but the ideas it represents. The opposite of progressive is conservative. I think if you were to ask anyone in particular, they would say that they’d like to progress some things and conserve others. It’s just the label for who tends to do more of each. So it’s less about saying your not “for progress” and more about showing what ideas you align with. And many conservatives wouldn’t call progressive ideas “progress” if they were implemented; they think it’d be bad for society. So it’s all just words at the end of the day to signify what ideas you align with