• Cowbee@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    Both are important, and you don’t get to only pick one. You can do both, prevent fascism and genocide, while also building up leftist structures like unions and networks of mutual aid.

    That’s like asking you if you’re going to wipe your ass after you shit or wash your hands, and saying you can only pick 1. This is the absolute dumbest “would you rather” and should be ignored and tossed in the trash.

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        11 months ago

        No, you terminally online radlib.

        A) shift the Overton Window to the left via grassroots movements such as Unionization, organizing, setting up networks of mutual aid, building parallel structures, and advocate for others to do the same, while plugging your nose and voting Democrat to keep fascists out of office, LIKE I SAID IN THE ORIGINAL POST.

        B) do whatever the fuck you’re doing, and try to encourage voter apathy while absolutely railing against anyone even suggesting both voting democrat and unionizing.

        I pick option A, both denying Trump and also shifting the Overton Window to the left. You pick option B, doing absolutely jack shit while screaming online and also voting Democrat, leaving America an increasingly far-right state with nothing to to show for it in several years time.

        Touch grass.

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            11 months ago

            I’m sorry, neither myself nor those I care about are privileged enough to both support the status quo by voting Democrat without also organizing and unionizing. Unlike privileged liberals like yourself, many people are struggling and can’t afford what they need, or are targeted by fascists for being a sexual, ethnic, or gender minority.

            I won’t apologize for saying that it’s not enough to vote Democrat alone, and that people should both vote Democrat and make meaningful change on the ground via Unionization, organization, and education.

            Pick one: wash your hands, or wipe your ass?

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        11 months ago

        keep the Overton window center-right for the rest of the decade

        It’s the exact fucking opposite.

        Every time a Democrat has won, the US has slowly become more left and passed left wing policies like “hey maybe more people should be able to afford healthcare” and “shit we better do something about the climate”. It is undeniable that Obamacare and the Inflation Reduction Act are the furthest left legislation of their time.

        What’s happened every time a conservative has won however? You saw the Tea Party enabled and their takeover of the Republican Party because they won in 2010. You saw Trump enabled and takeover the Republican Party because he won in 2016. Every time Republicans have won, they’ve taken it as vindication and confirmation that their far right movement is successful.

        You want the window to move left? Make sure the right wing loonies don’t win an election. If you can find a way to do that and also not support Democrats, I’m all ears.

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            11 months ago

            Oh my bad, I took your comment at face value. I think. I thought you legitimately thought that Democrats winning caused the window to stay center right. Sorry about that!

            But yeah, it was quite something to realize that every Republican victory since 2000 has resulted in things being pushed even further right than before. It makes it fairly clear that there’s only one way to stop the country from moving right.

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                11 months ago

                I’m hopeful we’re safe from that, but it pays to be vigilant. Trump and his ilk aren’t holding the necessary offices to rig the election. The federal government is democrat, and Republican losses in 2022 have given Democrats a lot more representation and power in many swing states.