• Holymoly@lemmynsfw.com
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    11 months ago

    Removing all forms of added sugar would probably make everyone feel better. Even minimizing natural sugar intake.

    Sugar is terrible, there’s no doubt about it. Artificial or otherwise.

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        11 months ago

        Your lemon curd is full of thickener (egg yolk) and sugar (honey) too.

        What thickener did they use? Soy lecithin? That’s the same thickener as found in your egg yolks.

        What sugar? Just regular sugar? That has a similar glycemic index as honey.

        Concentrated lemon juice is just lemon juice without the water. Was there also water in the recipe?

        Sounds like your stomach trouble was due to something else. I’m not saying the lemon curd you bought was good quality, but it probably wasn’t much different than what you make. And those scary ingredients are the same as the ones that you already use.

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      11 months ago

      there’s little research to show sugar dangers to be more than correlation

      fat people eat a lot of sugar. fat people also eat a lot. eating a lot is how you get fat, drinking calories just happens to be a fast track to getting fat. diet soda happens to be physiologically like drinking water. fat people drink diet instead of sugar coke thats already 200-1000 calories of their day GONE with very very minimal change.

      then those fat people supplement the lost sugars with more food and they gain weight. then you get studies showing GUYS DIET SODA CAUSES WEIGHT GAIN (in fat people)

      but no its not the sugar its not the macros its YOU eating too much and you can eat less to lose weight that’s just simple science. body types, “nuance”, “bad metabolism”. none of that shits real it all stems from shitty dietary choices and lack of muscle.

      all of this to say unless theres medical issues or medical intervention your weight and body type is 100% in your control should you choose to take control

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        11 months ago

        How about all the research that shows sugar is addictive AF

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          11 months ago

          self control is a thing everything is addictive in some facet refined sugars just happens to trigger a stronger dopamine response than other things.

          but in the end of the day self control is necessary nobody can control you except you. so dont blame sugars addicitiveness for being overweight if you are. its solely an overeating issue.

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            11 months ago

            I feel like you underestimate addiction. “Self control” is what’s needed to not start smoking; but it takes something stronger to quit smoking, I think – a more refined willpower than simple “self control”.

            And sure, it’s something a person could cultivate and train on their own with time and focus. But so are most other things. “Why aren’t you good at drawing? All you need to do is practice every day! it’s simple.”

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              11 months ago

              nicotine is chemically addictive sugar is not.

              im a stoner and can assure you the way to quit smoking something that isnt chemically addictive is cold turkey will-power babey. ive taken long breaks when needed with months of straight use 24/7 down to zero for months. its all mind over matter.

              im also shredded now because slight caloric deficit and healthy eating is also straight will power mind over matter to consistently eat a slight deficit and well for months. and i do a rigourous calisthenics strength routine consistently to supplement thus I’m quite ripped.

              shit even for my cut i completely quit eating added sugars cold turkey i didnt eat any aside from the occasional if i was given something for like 4 months. it was also pretty easy and made occasional sweets taste better and fruits/veggies were gas.

              people make shit up as excuses like “ohh im skinny fat its too late”, “i dont have time in between my laying down and netflix binge”. no body types dont exist. never have never will stop using excuses. if you want to be lazy accept the fact YOU ARE LAZY theres no other excuse than you being lazy. which is chill being lazy is fun sometimes (remember im a stoner) but don’t pretend its for some other reason its all on YOU.

              everyone thinks oh its too hard i cant do it. but no youre just lazy and weak willed and im not joking. you can do anything if you want to thats the beauty of life. things don’t come easy if you see someone doing crazy shit that’s probably a conglomeration of years of hard work and dedication. they probably started looking and thinking like you til they woke up.

              WAKE UP you dont need to be fat, your metabolism doesn’t need to suffer with age, your joints dont need to get worse. all of this happens from a lack of training and poor diet NOT age. age provides the time for your body to degrade you have to prevent that degration. I FUCKING HATE when people say your metabolism will slow down and youll get fat eventually. bitch no ill never be like you.

              also finally, i am a drug addict i know about addiction trust me. I’ve quit some shittier things it takes effort but in the end of the day still its on YOU to quit nobody can quit for you.

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                11 months ago

                nicotine is chemically addictive sugar is not.

                I’m not sure what you mean by this. If you mean a sugar addiction is more like a gambling addiction than a nicotine addiction, I don’t think that’s the case; you can find studies that claim sugar addiction is “opiate-like”. There are also some sensational claims like “sugar is more addictive than cocaine”, though that seems like more of a stretch to me.

                I’m glad to hear you are in great shape, and it’s clear you tie a lot of self worth to physical fitness. But I would caution you not to use that as an excuse to look down on others.

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          11 months ago

          Of course sugar is addictive as fuck - you would literally die without it.

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      11 months ago

      Absolutely nothing wrong with a diet high in fruit and veg, both of which contain significant amounts of sugar.

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        11 months ago

        You are correct, the caveat “added sugar” or added sweetener in this case is the important bit.

        Fructose doesn’t have the same health effects of sucrose for some reason and the sugar you eat in fruit and veg come with fiber which helps keep our blood sugar from spiking.

        I was shocked to learn that dates, which are basically candy, have a pretty reasonable glycemic index.

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          11 months ago

          Except that guy wrote:

          Even minimizing natural sugar intake.

          Which precludes fruit and a good deal of veg.

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          11 months ago

          Fructose doesn’t have the same health effects of sucrose for some reason

          That’s because fructolysis has a slightly different pathway and fate as compared to glycolysis, which results in far lower efficiency of conversion. Meaning glucose gets converted into more calories than fructose does.

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            11 months ago

            Fascinating! It is astounding to me how we know some of this stuff and how there is so much we have left to discover

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        11 months ago

        Fruits make me just as sick as any other source of sugar. Fruit is just candy in a natural wrapper.

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      11 months ago

      There’s nothing inherently bad about sugar. It’s just energy. If you intake more energy than you burn it’s getting stored for future use (you get fat). The same goes for almost anything “unhealthy”. Manage your energy intake and almost nothing is unhealthy.

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      11 months ago

      The biggest question in this thread, who would downvote this?

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        11 months ago

        Probably people who are a bit sketch about the “even natural sugars” bit, since that removes a TON of otherwise healthy food options. Minimize added sugar, sure.