I think the fact Europeans enslaved people have very much to do with the OP’s claim that replacing direct enslavement with debt peonage at a later date more than made up for not only the original enslavement but later colonialism.
Blaming an oppressed group for their own oppression is not a good look.
Wow, that’s a whole new level of racism than I’ve ever seen.
Say, who established those borders you claim are constantly at war?
Any chance those were arbitrary lines ignoring local history and cultures by the people OP thinks did nothing to owe reparations over?
I think he assume you read the comment he put in his comment when you where commenting. Which is pretty short and this is it:
"They paid the moral debt with interest when they forced Africa to stop enslaving their own people to sell them.
Anyone who doesn’t know this is unqualified to speak about it or is being dishonest."
I do get your point which was europe had stopped doing slavery themselves (tacitly given peasants, indentured servitude, wager slavery [which under globalism increased greatly]) but were fine buying them as a commodity and then just deciding they can commoditization the whole race given how different they looked (one reason natives were not enslaved on that scale). Thing with commoditization slavery is it really treated slaves like a commodity and was more brutal than the type of slavery taking place in africa and more seen in history. For anyone or anyone I am in no way condoing or endorsing slavery but it is a complicated historical subject but I would rather have been a slave in many cultures than the typical american colony one or a typical dark ages peasant.
I get that my comment was too brief so it can be misunderstood, and gives more room when someone wants to distort it. i ellaborated on it here below but in short I was talking about all the people that actually sailed to africa and went to war with pirates and africans that wouldn’t stop ensalving their neighbors. this took many years. a lot of money and many european lives.
I think it comes down to sins. You can’t make up for killing someone by saving a bunch of lives. Now it can be a powerful personal motivator but part of that motivator is recognizing it can never be made ok.
I concede the point. I should have said they already paid reparations with those acts of self sacrifice. which is the closest they can get to making things right. at least it seems like a much bigger sacrifice than a payment in cash.
oh well that makes sense. the idea money is going to somehow make slavery alright is crazy to. I likely missed context due to just reading a link to a comment from another thread so I missed a lot since the one person just brought it up.
You seem to be side-stepping the whole “Europeans bought and bred humans” part.
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I think the fact Europeans enslaved people have very much to do with the OP’s claim that replacing direct enslavement with debt peonage at a later date more than made up for not only the original enslavement but later colonialism.
Blaming an oppressed group for their own oppression is not a good look.
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Wow, that’s a whole new level of racism than I’ve ever seen.
Say, who established those borders you claim are constantly at war?
Any chance those were arbitrary lines ignoring local history and cultures by the people OP thinks did nothing to owe reparations over?
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So now your racist views are facts, are they?
They geopolitical equivalent of “…they’d just spend it on drugs.” isn’t you revealing your underlying racist assumptions, its a universal truth?
How 'bout that.
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You’ve almost got racist bingo with your talking points there, maybe you should keep going.
You keep trying to inverse/distort my claims. What is this fabrication about debt peonage? How does it relate to my actual statement?
I think he assume you read the comment he put in his comment when you where commenting. Which is pretty short and this is it:
"They paid the moral debt with interest when they forced Africa to stop enslaving their own people to sell them.
Anyone who doesn’t know this is unqualified to speak about it or is being dishonest."
I do get your point which was europe had stopped doing slavery themselves (tacitly given peasants, indentured servitude, wager slavery [which under globalism increased greatly]) but were fine buying them as a commodity and then just deciding they can commoditization the whole race given how different they looked (one reason natives were not enslaved on that scale). Thing with commoditization slavery is it really treated slaves like a commodity and was more brutal than the type of slavery taking place in africa and more seen in history. For anyone or anyone I am in no way condoing or endorsing slavery but it is a complicated historical subject but I would rather have been a slave in many cultures than the typical american colony one or a typical dark ages peasant.
I get that my comment was too brief so it can be misunderstood, and gives more room when someone wants to distort it. i ellaborated on it here below but in short I was talking about all the people that actually sailed to africa and went to war with pirates and africans that wouldn’t stop ensalving their neighbors. this took many years. a lot of money and many european lives.
I think it comes down to sins. You can’t make up for killing someone by saving a bunch of lives. Now it can be a powerful personal motivator but part of that motivator is recognizing it can never be made ok.
I concede the point. I should have said they already paid reparations with those acts of self sacrifice. which is the closest they can get to making things right. at least it seems like a much bigger sacrifice than a payment in cash.
oh well that makes sense. the idea money is going to somehow make slavery alright is crazy to. I likely missed context due to just reading a link to a comment from another thread so I missed a lot since the one person just brought it up.