A 14-year-old boy allegedly fatally shot his older sister in Florida after a family argument over Christmas presents, officials said Tuesday.

The teen had been out shopping on Christmas Eve with Abrielle Baldwin, his 23-year-old sister, as well as his mother, 15-year-old brother and sister’s children, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference.

The teenage brothers got into an argument about who was getting more Christmas presents.

“They had this family spat about who was getting what and what money was being spent on who, and they were having this big thing going on in this store,” Gualtieri said.

  • merc
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    11 months ago

    “the laws didn’t work, so we need harsher laws.” Both are flawed logically.

    I don’t know what you mean by “logically”. There’s no “logical” way to determine what will work. This is a matter of human nature, not logic. But, science strongly suggests that harsher laws do work when it comes to guns. Places with strong gun laws have been clearly shown to have fewer gun crimes. That doesn’t necessarily work for everything. During prohibition, strong laws forbidding alcohol did somewhat reduce alcohol use, but it definitely didn’t eliminate it, and it dramatically increased crime due to smuggling alcohol. For guns, the picture is much clearer. When they’re harder to own legally there are fewer gun crimes.

    a knee jerk reaction of “we need more laws” is unhelpful at best and detrimental at worst.

    In this case it’s more “we need the same laws as the rest of the civilized world, which doesn’t have all these problems with gun crimes”.

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      11 months ago

      I really think we’re just having two completely different discussions here mate. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. I never did.

      I also don’t know that I think it’s worth the time to hash out at this point. We’re just talking past each other.