The Wikipedia definition seems to indicate it has origins as a racist term and I’ve never understood why unix users have adopted this terms instead of something benign like “themes” or “theming” which I remember being in use long before I ever heard “rice”. So what gives? Why use “rice” instead of “theme”?
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The term comes from car modifications, when people would modify Japanese cars. Folks called them “rice burners” and it evolves from there.
I have never heard this in the Linux community, though, so it might just be a you thing
I’m not a part of the demographic who would experience racism around this. So, I can’t comment there.
I am a white hipster though. So, I usually call my window manager customizations “artisanally hand crafted”.
dude, you need a break from the internet
Why do you say that?
Here what you did:
- take a word used within a community to refer to personalised desktop environments;
- strip its context;
- add a completely different context;
- ask if using that word, with a completely different context, is racist;
Which is weird af
Master branch is racist!!!
People who don’t have anything better to do find anything to be offended by.
Hey nice strawman.
Referring to modifications as Rice or Riced is actually racist. Master branch doesn’t have an origin in racism.
We used to refer to hard drives in hierarchy as being either Master or Slave and we’ve moved away from that terminology because it was offensive.
It’s not that hard to understand or have some empathy, unless you’re an idiot who can’t recognize your own privilege.
Wrong.
The word wasn’t coined by the Linux community. It was taken from the automotive community where it was used as a derogatory term to refer to car modifications.
You can’t pretend it doesn’t have shitty origins just because you aren’t familiar with the source.
derogatory 😂
I mean it’s not a compliment to say that someone car is “riced out.” If you think so, you might be an idiot.
That’s entirely your own opinion
No, that’s a fact. The term is not complementary. Period.
@const_void nobody cares. If you enter the Linux customization community, see the word “ricer” or “rice”, and get offended, you probably need a break from the internet.
You can just say that you don’t care. You don’t need to frame your opinion as belonging to hundreds of people, none of whom asked you to.
And of course people in the community don’t care. If they did, they wouldn’t have joined the community.
First time I’m hearing of this, how would this possibly be racist?
Decades ago it (in my experience) originated from the use of usually gaudy non-performance enhancements to Japanese or other foreign cars (mostly originally Hondas IIRC) to make them look fast or faster without actually doing anything to make them fast. (gigantic rear spoilers, loud exhaust, neon underlights, etc)
In a pretty short time it bled into doing the same to any slow car (I think it was mostly Hondas to start) because so many people were doing it to Honda Civics at the time, then I think (again this is just in my own usage at the time) into usually gaudy non-performance enhancements to ANY car.
There’s probably also some connection to “rice burners” which I think predates the word, which I first heard applied to motorcycles, again Japanese brands like Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and then later sometimes to cars from similar brands.
The racism in “ricing” comes from the idea that since the original targets of the term tended to be Japanese or other asian cars (Kia, hyundai) and with the perception that rice is closely associated with those cultures – “ricing out” your car essentially meant “covering it with gaudy fripperies like those Japanese cars.”
I understand why some folks think it’s racist, and I understand why some folks don’t, but I don’t use the term anymore because I decided it wasn’t that hard to use another word, and just because I don’t think it’s hurtful that doesn’t mean it isn’t to someone.
This is a really well thought out post, cheers. I think your choice is fair in the end, but I also think that it becomes impossible to do this for every word that people decide is racist or offensive to someone.
Especially because it all comes from american internet culture and it’s hard for non americans to keep track. By this point, every few days some word or internet term or even the name of something in everyday life that I thought was perfectly normal is suddenly deemed immoral by american users. English is a secondary language to me, a lot of my knowledge of it comes from internet forums and such which only makes it even harder because I don’t have a deep knowledge of the roots of the language, especially when it comes to slang or “internet terms” I mostly copy what I see. And while my stance used to be the same as yours, that I could just avoid using that word and it wasn’t a big deal, I feel like at some point I started losing track of the list of words and I just gave up.
I remember there being a big fuss around a similar situation in home gardening subreddits because the most common worldwide name of some flower offended someone in the States, and a similar situation in baking communities, and it’s just… I give up. There’s no winning this fight. Someone is bound to be offended by something eventually. If people are refusing to look at context and intent, too bad I guess.
Also, on a side note, I noticed you tagged me while scrolling through the thread, but I didn’t get a notification or anything, I don’t know if tagged users are supposed to be notified? Just as an FYI as you might’ve expected that I would get a notification.
I remember there being a big fuss around a similar situation in home gardening subreddits because the most common worldwide name of some flower offended someone in the States, and a similar situation in baking communities, and it’s just… I give up.
rapeseed oil has entered the chat.
This is the only context I’ve heard the term. People use it for theming desktop apps now?
Thank you for clarification!
This is a really well thought out post, cheers. I think your choice is fair in the end, but I also think that it becomes impossible to do this for every word that people decide is racist or offensive to someone.
Especially because it all comes from american internet culture and it’s hard for non americans to keep track. By this point, every few days some word or internet term or even the name of something in everyday life that I thought was perfectly normal is suddenly deemed immoral by american users. English is a secondary language to me, a lot of my knowledge of it comes from internet forums and such which only makes it even harder because I don’t have a deep knowledge of the roots of the language, especially when it comes to slang or “internet terms” I mostly copy what I see. And while my stance used to be the same as yours, that I could just avoid using that word and it wasn’t a big deal, I feel like at some point I started losing track of the list of words and I just gave up.
I remember there being a big fuss around a similar situation in home gardening subreddits because the most common worldwide name of some flower offended someone in the States, and a similar situation in baking communities, and it’s just… I give up. There’s no winning this fight. Someone is bound to be offended by something eventually. If people are refusing to look at context and intent, too bad I guess.
Also, on a side note, I noticed you tagged me while scrolling through the thread, but I didn’t get a notification or anything, I don’t know if tagged users are supposed to be notified? Just as an FYI as you might’ve expected that I would get a notification.
My understanding of the term (from an asian american perspective I guess) is that it at most has a connection to race through the origins of ricing, and since the origins and current usage has never seemed derogatory and is simply about the Asian origins of automotive ricing I don’t think it’s racist at all. I see it as no different to any other term that reflects the origins of something that is connected to a specific ethnicity, especially when the term isn’t derogatory and isn’t used to otherize (which is how I consider model-minority stereotypes to be racist despite not being “negative”).
This is the same as people not using Gimp because they never understood what really means and feel it’s derogatory. Sometimes a word is just that, a word, and there’s no profit from overthinking it. But in the same regard you can use the term “theme” if it makes you happier.
There are plenty of articles and comments out there from disabled people recounting how that word has been weaponized against them. When people are telling us this, it seems pretty tasteless to continue using it.
I have no idea why I get downvoted every time I say this. If there are a large number of people out there saying ‘I was called this name due to my disability, it makes me feel like shit, and the fact that a popular FOSS project continues to use it despite being told this time and time again makes me feel that the FOSS community sees me as less than human’ how is it remotely complicated to have the common courtesy to apologize, pick a better name, and carry on? This is not hard, it costs nothing, and it’s just basic human respect.
Following that logic we should rename lots of things, as any word can be use in a despicable way. I get your point. But again. It’s just the name of an app.
Following that logic we should rename lots of things, as any word can be use in a despicable way.
Any word CAN be, but in this case you have a group of people telling you it IS hurtful to them. Those aren’t the same thing.
The word has been considered a serious slur for years. If, by chance, you wind up naming your project with a tier-1 slur, yes, you should absolutely rename it.
Gimp is one of the few FOSS projects with some notoriety outside of tech circles. It, VLC and Linux are possibly the only names I could expect some random person to have heard of. Changing its name would probably torpedo years of work to become seen as a reliable piece of software and send it back to the realm of “software that only people who watch the code repository know about”.
And the whole changing the name to avoid offending someone is a losing battle in the first place. According to this thread, “rice” is potentially racist. I had no idea anyone could find “Gimp” offensive, but apparently they can. By this point, it’s part of american internet culture to be offended and no word is safe from americans turning it into a slur, dog-whistle, etc etc and advocating that everyone else in the world should stop using it.
The fact that g–p is a slur is not a new thing. It’s the equivalent of f----t or r----d for a large number of disabled people, and has been for years. The fact that you did not know this doesn’t make it any less true.
Do you honestly believe a name change would vault the project into obscurity? Seems like a quick press release would do it.
When I hear gimp outside of the context of the software, I think of gimp suits. In my area I’ve never heard gimp used as a slur for disabled people.
I get that there’s regional slang and what not, but if every word that offended anyone anywhere was banned, we would have to limit our words to the point of barely being able to communicate.
In my area, depending who you are, a silly term as “goof” is offensive. I almost got beat up for calling a guy one as a joke. Should I petition Disney to rename Goofy?
if every word that offended anyone anywhere was banned…
I’m hearing this point a lot, but it just makes clear that people aren’t reading or understanding my other remarks. This isn’t a random word that someone decided was offensive. This is a slur that is well known to large number of disabled people. They have been telling us this for some time. You haven’t heard it used that way? That’s great, but that also doesn’t mean that it isn’t. You know who does know what slurs are used against them? The people who are targeted by them. I’ll bet there are plenty of slurs you haven’t heard of that are, in fact, still slurs regardless.
Honestly, I find the name Nathan really offensive.
Are you going to do something about it?
Have you got any real arguments for me?
It’s an acronym, just that. We can argue is a misfortune one but that’s it.
Yea, it’s an acronym that spells out a slur. It should be changed.
You should stop focusing on vocabulary and get your mind on intent, this is getting stupid.
Why is it stupid to discuss whether the language we use could be harming people? If you’re not interested in joining that discussion productively, you could simply scroll on.
The language used is not going to harm people. The intent is, which was my point.
Read -> Parse the meaning -> React accordingly. Is a correct way to communicate.
Read -> React to trigger word -> Disregard meaning Is not. It’s just conditioned response.If you do not think disagreement is a productive contribution, maybe you’re not looking for a discussion.
Let me get this straight:
In the following scenario, the app developer is in the right?
- App dev: Here’s my new app! It’s called F----T, for FAntastic Gnome Game On Terminal.
- Me: Hey, that word is offensive to me and others like me, it’s a word we hear before being beaten, bullied, killed, or discriminated against. Do you think you could change it?
- App dev: No. My intent was not to discriminate. You’re being unreasonable.
- Me: The fact that you are unwilling to even entertain changing the app name from a well known slur used against people like me makes me feel completely unwelcome.
- App dev: Sounds like your problem, sticks and stones.
Difference being that rice is not an insult per se, which means that using the term rice isn’t inherently racist.
To my (very obvious) thesis: “Uee Mario, pizza mare mandolino!” Isn’t racist, each of those words are innocent and have no negative meaning, yet it is racist as fuck
Checkmate to whatever you were trying to prove
I was responding to the argument in the previous comment, not making a point about the term “rice.”
Downvotes are cute, rebuttals are better. Do you just not like what I have to say, or can you teach me something? I’m all ears.
No.
Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements
Or Rage, I’m always angry customising
bro take your pills
No need to be rude
Being a non-american, I never really liked the term “rice” because it’s not an intuitive term to convey modifying or customizing a system. But I have used it because that’s what the subreddit used to call it. I never thought it might be racist as I never saw anyone use the term in a racist manner - I can’t even understand how it could be racist - outside of this community, rice is just a word for something I eat for most of my meals. But again, I’m not american, so I might be lacking some cultural context - the whole culture war thing kind of escapes me and I’m not up to date on the list of forbidden words.
It came from car enthusiasts. Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements
That’s a retcon FWIW.
So, is this like a joke post making fun of what was posted in the pcmr community? I’m legitimately asking, I can’t tell if this is a troll or not.
I don’t know but it seems like it’s a 'nix thing.
I was in the Windows customization scene for years and never heard the term “ricing” until I discovered customization on Linux.
No it’s from car enthusiasts. Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements
I first heard the term coming from Asian dudes talking shit to white dudes about their cars, so I never saw it as racist.
