• dragontamer@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    They certainly don’t act like one, not with Hamas as leading them.

    That’s part of the problem. I think the PLO or PLA might be better leaders for them.

    Did you look at the Egyptian peace deal? No one wants Hamas running Gaza anymore. Hamas has failed miserably and even the Muslim countries of Egypt and Qatar include new governments as part of the peace deal.

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      11 months ago

      if Gaza isn’t independent then they can’t be committing war crimes. it’s just regular crime. and Israel collectively punishing the ethnic minority are the ones committing war crimes.

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        11 months ago

        There is no collective punishment, measures aren’t being done to punish but to limit the effectiveness of people actively trying to kill them.

        If you have to hide behind ‘yes what we’re doing would be war crimes but technically we’re not a nation’ then it doesn’t really change anything, regardless of what their actions are labelled they must be stopped and Israel is taking the measures it feels are needed to do this while also trying to limit the negative effects to other people caught up in this.

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          11 months ago

          There is no collective punishment, measures aren’t being done to punish but to limit the effectiveness of people actively trying to kill them.

          destroying homes and hospitals, shutting off critical infrastructure, bombing city blocks is definitely collective punishment.

          if hamas built a tunnel under my local hospital, I would not be okay with anyone firing missiles at the hospital.

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        11 months ago

        Uh huh…

        As I said before: go talk to a soldier about this stuff. You clearly need someone who has actually dealt with war-time issues to talk with you on some basics. I’ve done my part at this point, but I can’t just baby-sit you all day and secondly, I’m not (and never have been a soldier). I just know a few of them and we’ve had this discussion before. So all my knowledge is 2nd hand.

        There are conventions at war, and even the dumbest grunt Private First Class receives training on these matters and have to study up on these issues (every soldier in the US Military is trained to know when, or when not, it is legal to shoot and kill). So this is something that literally any veteran in your life can discuss with you to a far deeper level than I can.


        “War crimes” aren’t crimes because some police officer will catch you. “War crimes” are actions unbecoming of a proper organization and cause the enemy to harm your side even more. Ex: hiding a gun on your person while surrendering, and then killing enemies with it after pretending to surrender is a war crime. Its not “illegal” per se (there’s no organization who will arrest you). It just causes the enemy to refuse surrenders and harms the overall path of the war.

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          11 months ago

          It just causes the enemy to refuse surrenders

          no, it doesn’t CAUSE this. it is an excuse that they will use to kill people who are surrendering, even if it’s the hostages they claim they are trying to free.