I tried, but failed, to find the poll Loewenstein referred to when he was quoted saying: “There was a poll just this week that found 70-80 percent of Israeli Jews support…", regarding what the title claims. Please share if you have it, I find it hard to believe this poll exists.
This is the only thing I could find
The Direct Polls survey that was published last Thursday (Direct Polls: Gantz and Bibi Neck-and-Neck, Smotrich Beats the Threshold) included the question: “To what degree do you support encouraging the voluntary emigration of Gaza Strip residents?”
The response of 1,487 adults (18+) who are a representative sample of the general population in Israel, with a statistical sampling error of ± 3.9%, at a 95% probability, was overwhelmingly in favor of the idea.
68% support it strongly
15% are quite supportive
8% don’t really support it
9% don’t support it at all
Thanks! Seems close enough. I would still take anything coming out of Channel 14 with a grain of salt. It is considered to be Bibi’s propoganda channel 🤷
Did you realize that “support” appears in each response ?
Are you aware of the meaning of the word “not”?
The other part that makes no sense:
“finding somewhere else for Palestinians in Gaza to be removed. Israel claims that this is somehow voluntary, which is nonsense.”
Where should they be removed? How do you expect them to get there when the borders for Gaza are closed?
Feels like we’ve seen this movie before…
https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears
https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/bataan-death-march
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Describing Gaza and the West Bank as reservations really helps Americans understand what Israel is doing.
Seems like Al Jazeera should have cited it since they published the story but I cannot find it either.
In other news, majority of Palestinians support the removal of Israeli settlers from the West Bank.
Maybe they could work out a swap?
But first, Hamas must be destroyed, and Hamas’s supporter Netanyahu prosecuted.
Wtf are you talking about, there is no swap to be made. Both Gaza and the entirety of the West Bank belong to Palestinians. There is plenty of land in Israel proper, the settlers should just GTFO.
Settlers Aka occupiers.
Amazing no one stop to ask where these “settlers” come from?
Are you claiming that the last few decades we have seen the kind of Anti-semitism of the beginning of the 20th century that would justify a program of mass settlement of Jewish people on land outside Israel? Because that is a ridiculous thing to say.
There is no mass scale anti-semitism. Israel is not the safest place for Jews (north america is). Palestinian land is not needed for Jewish settlement, Israel proper has plenty plenty of land, enough to be proposing land swaps every now and then.
Israeli settlements are entirely indefensible and entirely a crime.
Archaeology has repeatedly confirmed that the Jewish peoples originated in the Southern Levant thousands of years prior to Arabs leaving the Arabian Peninsula. Archaeology has also repeatedly confirmed that the presence of Arabs and the Arabic language in the Middle East and North Africa everywhere outside of the Arabian Peninsula, including the Southern Levant where Israel is situated, is the result of past imperialist colonialist expansions and forced assimilations.
Historic records repeatedly emphasize not only the Indigenous presence of Jews in the Southern Levant, but the fact that there remained a number of them in the Southern Levant to meet every outside group which came into the region, including Arabs. Even Arabic and Ottoman Empire historical records confirm that Jews were in the Southern Levant before them.
Case in point, the historic and linguistic origins of the name, “Jew.” European languages call Jews “Jude,” “Jew,” etc, because they are shortened derivations from “Judean.” A “Judean” is a native of “Judea” which was one the historic Jewish nations in the Southern Levant which predates Arabs arriving in the Southern Levant. Even the terms that Arabic speakers use for Jews, “Yahud” and “Yahudi,” testify that Jews are the Indigenous population of the Southern Levant. As there is no “J” sound in Hebrew, the actual name of “Judea” was “Yahuda.” A “Yahud” or “Yahudi” is a native of the historical Southern Levantine nation of “Yahuda.”
Buddy, I’m Greek. I know this argument and it’s bullshit. We don’t have a right to the coast of Asia Minor, Constantinople/Istanbul or the South of Italy and Jews don’t have a right to Eretz Israel just because of what happened in antiquity.
What you seem to be saying then is that the argument that past colonialism doesn’t matter therefore present colonialism shouldn’t matter either.
Are you seriously trying to pitch Israeli apartheid and occupation as some kind of anti-colonial struggle?Like, seriously, that’s your angle here?
Malaka, I’m from the Balkans. We have seen nationalists of a thousand different varieties do a thousand different crimes in the name of what you call “past colonialism”. It’s precisely under that kind of banner that the Serbs massacred Srebrenica. It’s what we did in Tripolitsa. It’s what the Ustasha did to the Serbs, what the Bulgarians did to the Greeks, what the Turks did to the Armenians and the Greeks, it’s what we all did to the Jews, and so on and so on.
So GTFO with the bullshit. Go sell it to the kind of idiotic Evangelical Americans that Bibi thinks he can ally himself.
Europe, and since they’re so intent on genociding the native population like the other europeans who colonised the U.S, Canada, Australia and New Zealand did, it is time they go back home (Deutschland especially)
Remember there’s always a place for Jews in Europe and the rest of the developed world, not so much for palestinians and other brown ppl.
Yeah, because they are genocidal lunatics.
Sure, but the majority of gazans support Hamas
Both before and after the attacks
So same conclusion then?
Yes. They are all shitty.
No, because it’s a natural human reaction on danger - they want to eliminate it, everything be damned.
Not even blaming them, despite them being super wrong with big consequences. All we can do is reach out and try to explain that their army is causing even more suffering some of them just endured, and that not all Palestinians are the kinds of guys who broke into Israel.
The “good people on both sides” argument has historically gone so well, I’m sure it will work wonders here. /s
I know exactly 0 instances when hate and blame game made people reconsider
It’s just generally hard to change what’s happening and reactions of Israelis, this is deeply influenced by human physchology - all I’m saying.
Did Nazis get convinced they are baddies?
That’s what’s most important at the end of the day.
Also, the parallels are incorrect, Jews did not attack Germans
The danger of people resisting having their houses stolen and their family murdered?
Yes, with some of them coming back and stealing houses and murdering families, too.
Look, never have I ever argued they are right; what happens in Palestine is a bunch of war crimes and I really hope Netanyahu and company will suffer grave consequences.
People are super quick to trigger on the subject.
But human psychology is flawed, especially after traumatizing events; I’m only saying that it’s natural for Israelis to behave this way, even if not right, and when people are fanatically holding some position (because they see the alternative as eventual death, y’know), hatred might not be the solution.
Right now, as people die, we should focus on what’s effective, not a knee-jerk. That’s why police holds negotiations with terrorists, for example. Because it’s more effective at preserving human lives, not because they sympathize.
I want this war to end as soon as possible. Do you?
I want the occupation to end, not just this ‘war’. There’s not going to be peace until the last Palestinian is killed, or if Israel decides to unwind the settlement policy from the last decades. As we’ve seen with the IRA and ANC, the way to stop terrorism is by offering a political solution that works for all involved.
I mean, first we stop bloodshed, second we start negotiations and high-level diplomacy.
War is currently the highest priority, and then come all the issues around apartheid and Israel’s actions in peace time
Surprise, surprise. Israelis want to genocide Gazans.
No no, they just want some Lebensraum
“Removal”, how exactly? Because doing it with bombs isn’t very efficient so far. Are they looking into a final solution already? Fucking embarrassing…
Well, you know how Nazi Germany dealt with their ‘Jewish Problem’?
Israel is currently dealing with their ‘Palestinian Problem’.
Zionists are Nazis.
That’s exactly what I was hinting, by using the term ‘final solution’.
Thank you, for using the words ‘zionists’ as this is a zionist / Israel issue and not a Jewish issue. We can support Palestinians without being antisemitic.
Israel does EXACTLY what nazi Germany did. Apartheid, locking them up in ghettos, starving them, exterminate them.
We need a war tribunal for the entire Israeli government and IDF. IDF is like the SS, seeing how inhumane they are and the amount of horrible war crimes they commit.
All of that while Israel still dares to pull the holocaust victim card when anyone tells them to stop. Disgusting.
You bomb the infrastructure until the whole area is unlivable, then you graciously allow them to cross the border into Egypt. Textbook ethnic cleansing.
The majority are brainwashed like in every country that is doing bad shit America included. The woke are few and far between. Most are eat the status quo and keep on trucking types. They will eat shit til they die and not care.
For Israel, the goal is “from the river to the sea” - without Palestinians.
Genocide
Nazi’s gonna Nazi
ha, is this a ‘no shit’ article or what. your ‘country’ is currently steamrolling over the entire area, razing it to the ground.
ya think??
Wonder if any of these Israelis will feel shame in 20 years after all this negative energy dies down.
This war should end with a Palestinian corridor the ensure connection between west Bank and Gaza
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Sorry, but I just don’t trust polls anymore. They never really get a representation of the public as a whole and instead end up talking with the only interested parties: bored conservative old people.
That’s probably true, but that’s also the large majority of voters often so it can still represent something.
