The new copyright infringement lawsuit against Microsoft and OpenAI comes a week after The New York Times filed a similar complaint in New York.

Microsoft, OpenAI sued for copyright infringement by nonfiction book authors in class action claim::The new copyright infringement lawsuit against Microsoft and OpenAI comes a week after The New York Times filed a similar complaint in New York.

  • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
    137·
    10 months ago

    If I want to be able to argue that having any copyleft stuff in the training dataset makes all the output copyleft – and I do – then I necessarily have to also side with the rich chumps as a matter of consistency. It’s not ideal, but it can’t be helped. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        42·
        10 months ago

        No. I really do think that all AI output should be required to be copyleft if there’s any copyleft in the training dataset (edit for clarity: unless there’s also something else with an incompatible license in it, in which case the output isn’t usable at all – but protecting copyleft is the part I care about).

        • General_Effort@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          10 months ago

          Huh. Obviously, you don’t believe that a copyleft license should trump other licenses (or lack thereof). So, what are you hoping this to achieve?

          • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            10 months ago

            Obviously, you don’t believe that a copyleft license should trump other licenses (or lack thereof)

            I’m not sure what you mean. No licenses “trump” any other license; that’s not how it works. You can only make something that’s a derivative work of multiple differently-licensed things if the terms of all the licenses allow it, something the FSF calls “compatibility.” Obviously, a proprietary license can never be compatible with a copyleft one, so what I’m hoping to achieve is a ruling that says any AI whose training dataset included both copyleft and proprietary items has completely legally-unusable output. (And also that any AI whose training dataset includes copyleft items along with permissively-licensed and public domain ones must have its output be copyleft.)

    • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      In your mind are the publishers the rich chumps, or Microsoft?

      For copyleft to work, copyright needs to be strong.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        10 months ago

        I was just repeating the language the parent commenter used (probably should’ve quoted it in retrospect). In this case, “rich chumps” are George R.R. Martin and other authors suing Microsoft.