dawg you can be trans for funsies, gender can eat my entire ass. everyone is better off when we aren’t gender-policing every goddam thing
But then who will we sell pink hammers to??
Me, I like pink, it’s such a strong color it doesn’t need to be in the rainbow club
Hello, I would like to buy your entire shipment of pink hammers
Who’s that?
This, a hundred times over.
Being trans is sufficient for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria in the DSM, so yes.
The DSM used to classify homosexuality as a mental illness. Are you saying it was until they changed it?
They have published new versions over the years. They’re on version 5 by now. Plenty of things have changed.
The argument is that you shouldn’t base your position of acceptance on whatever the DSM says because they’re demonstrably very fallible, but rather you should use your own arguments instead.
The DSM is fallible. Many of the diagnostic criteria will change in future versions of the DSM. In the future we are going to learn that some aspects of the current manuals are wrong, just as we have for previous ones.
But the people who will find those errors and make those updates will be, and have been, researchers and mental health experts who work in the field and have relevant experience. There’s no way that I, as some rando on the internet will have anything insightful to say on the subject. If either of us come to a conclusion that contradicts the DSM, it’s far more likely to be we are mistaken in our uninformed opinions.
Regardless, the DSM-5-tr is the manual that is CURRENTLY used by mental health professionals to diagnose mental disorders. My description of the DSM criteria is as accurate as is practical for a single sentence sarcastic comment in response to a meme.
It is possible to accept people, use preferred pronouns and names etc. while also being of the opinion of “technically you’re not trans but enby” or something. Some people just have a fetish for precisely defined taxonomies, don’t kink-shame.
No. Because they wouldn’t be precisely defining anything, since enbys still come under the trans umbrella.
I’m sorry how is clearly delineating a clade (in this case, “trans”) not crisp taxonomy.
You might, for example, come across a random dog and say “That’s not a Rotweiler that’s a dog”: It might be another named breed, it might be an incomprehensibly mixed-up street pupper, point is it’s not a Rotweiler but still a dog.
Ok, but even if we follow your dehumanising analogy, non-binary people are still trans
So claiming "“technically you’re not trans but enby” is never going to be “precisely defined taxonomy”, no matter how much you’d love for transphobes to have their “kink” of deliberately mislabelling people to exclude them from a category they factually belong to.
Sometimes things change, even institutions.
Ultimately it’s none of my business. It’s between the trans person and their doctor, as long as they’re following best practices and the plan of care is agreed to by the patient and the doctor, I’m good. I don’t pretend to know better than someone living that reality. I wish them well and hope their transition goes well and they can find happiness in their body.
…they can find happiness in their body.
See I think that’s the most important part and you hit the nail on the head. I transitioned 20 years ago and it was a lot different then. Nowadays everyone has the freedom to just be themselves, and people are getting too hung up on labels and pronouns. If everyone just pursued their own happiness and comfort in their own body, while ignoring the expectations put upon them by social media and society, they’d be a lot happier.
It’s like these younger folks feel like there’s a check list of things they need to do to “be trans”. My brother in Christ just be yourself, and if you wanna call yourself trans in the process then more power to you. There’s no rules to happiness beyond not hurting anyone else.
Tl;Dr “An ye harm none, do what ye will.”
Thank you… Omg I really needed this comment today 💙
Honestly, I’ve been feeling this way a lot lately. Especially with the labels and and pronouns part. I’ll call anyone what they want, and I’m not gonna beleive they’re not that, but some things are getting a bit ridiculous.
Like not to long ago I learned a new term, I don’t remember what it is, but it was basically a word to describe somes sexuality when you don’t know what their sexuality is. Like someone asks Bob what sexuality Greg is, and they don’t know for certain.
But A) The term used an acronym for not/non and put it at the beginning of asexual, so it was not not asexual… or just sexual… I guess.
B) If someone asks, you can just say you don’t know. We don’t need a word to describe someone’s sexuality as “I don’t know.”
I’m trying not to sound like an old person, and I do get why a lot of terms are uses. But it seems like every few months I hear about a new one, and it just seems like someone made it just to have a new term. I like that people are exploring and we are learning more
Other posts I’ve seen are things like “Can get guys/lesbians be gay guys/lesbians if they like non-binary people?”… Sure, why not? If someone wants to still use the term gay or lesbian, cool. If they think that puts them more towards bi to an extent, cool.
“Bi is transphobic, and if you would date trans people you’re actually pan” Or they just grew up with the term bi, and that’s how they identify. It’s not an issue.
I’m just waiting for the day when I get called transphobic for being gay, which means I only date men and not trans men, so that I can point out that trans men are men, and we don’t need to make it more complicated than just gay.
I agree with nearly all of your post except “being gay, which means I only date men and not trans men”. That’s completely valid that it is your preference, but many men identify as gay and do date trans men. They don’t need to change their label or use another word to express that they are open to transmen.
Oh yeah, I’m not denying those men exist. I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised if some people start saying that like they do about people identifying as bi.
Oh I understand you now
It’s between the trans person and their doctor
A trans person can shoot dutasteride directly into their eyeball if they want or gurgle horse urine against the specific advice of a physician and it would still be fine.
I think the thrust of their point is it’s between the individual and their doctor if they want to pursue medical things. The state should not be prescribing what they can/can’t do in this domain and getting in the way of their relationship with their doctor. Much like the argument that keeping a pregnancy/aborting is between a pregnant individual and their doctor. It’s a shorthand way of putting it we all sort of get. Yes they should be able to do it because it’s their body but generally the whole thing involves a doctor one way or another.
I think the thrust of their point is it’s between the individual and their doctor if they want to pursue medical things.
And my point is it isn’t.
Saying, “It’s between an individual and their doctor.” implies there could be a time when a person wants to ingest something or do something to their body that affects nobody but them (vaccinations I still advocate the administration of at gunpoint) and they shouldn’t be allowed to because a doctor said no.
Doctors are their to advise, but not at the level of the individual to consent.
By all means keep antibiotics behind a key, but if a person wants to eat paint chips doctors should be there to monitor their blood for lead and explain why they maybe shouldn’t, not to stop them.
When did I say a doctor can override a patient? That’s not remotely the standard of care in the US. Calling that a red herring is generous.
When did I say a doctor can override a patient?
“it’s between the individual and their doctor if they want to pursue medical things.”
It isn’t. It’s between an individual and their damn self.
Alright I can tell when a conversation isn’t productive anymore. Have a good rest of your weekend.
Alright I can tell when a conversation isn’t productive anymore.
When you stop listening?
I explained very clearly why the implications of the position you took were harmful.
Not trying to pick fights here.
I agree and wish them well also, but what I don’t get is the “transitioning” part of the trans. I’m gay and I do try to be open to whatever anyone wants to be, but it seems like it’s not self-fulfilling to be always in a state of flux or “trans” without ever intending to complete the transition. Is that what “trans” is about, or am I getting it wrong? I mean even a trans person has SOME kind of genitalia, right - so don’t they have a goal to become one specific gender, or is it the goal to remain genderless and always sort of in a transitory state? I’m just wondering, not judging.
Some people are happy, some people are unhappy. We should keep using best practices and academically engaging the subject to produce better health outcomes. Not using the unhappy to deny care writ large.
Basically it’s a good question to ask. The issue is that question is generally used as a cudgel by transphobes.
And I agree with you and do think we need to ask questions for clarity’s sake, and that transphobes are always wrong to use such things as a cudgel. Being in transition is maybe the most honest state for humans to be in. We’re always in flux, changing from moment to moment.
I’m just wondering though how trans people see their transition - as a transition, or as a permanent state of not being necessarily one gender or another, or a little of all possibilities. I support them totally and am extremely outraged by laws forbidding trans people access to medical care, which is like equating them with cattle that don’t have minds or individualism of their own.
Ahhh I misunderstood your question then. That makes sense.
I mean even a trans person has SOME kind of genitalia, right
Not everyone has genitals, no.
So what do they urinate out of? Is there just a hole and they just use a catheter? I guess I have more questions than can be answered here. I’m not trying to be obnoxious, I’m genuinely curious about if someone stays forever in transition, or do they eventually become male or female, or is it sort of not being either one…?
before i was officially out, the first person i told was my mechanic… and they brought it up. and you know what they did? they asked if i went by a different name and they changed it and called me that with the new pronouns
basically what im saying is that if that complete stranger can do it anyone can so stop being a dick to trans people, transphobes
How were you so intimate with your mechanic? Do you drive a Range Rover?
maybe a volkswagen
Man I wish I had time to worry about shit like this. Like get a fucking hobby if all you can think about is other people living their lives.
One time a truscum told me “I can’t me Transphobic, I’m trans, you’re stupid” she was incorrect, and she was one of the biggest transphobes I ever met (she insulted many trans women claiming they “sound like men” and that they “weren’t even trying” what an absolute asshole she was SMH.
The first rule of being trans is to always have fun :)
That’s why they call it trans B-)
We get a little silly :3
Imagine trying to fit the infinite variations of self into only 2 boxes. Be yourself, the world is fake.
sandwich
Tranwich
the treatment isn’t the disease. I don’t need cavities before I brush my teeth.
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What legislatures and all those “wise” men don’t ever comprehend is, everybody has sexual dysphoria at some point. They went through it also, no matter how “hetero” they turned out, and it’s no badge of honor that going through such things resulted in them being empty headed nitwits with no moral concern for hurting others going through it.
I say, be trans ESPECIALLY BECAUSE it irritates the shit out of these assholes. Shake up the status quo and knock those old farts on their whiny white asses.
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Yes, e.g. if you have transitioned you should ideally feel less yo no dysphoria. Then again, I have very little life experience on that subject. I would guess that someone who actively does what they feel like should also feel less since they are not forced into something they do not like. And some base amount of dysphoria in life is “surely” normal.
You don’t even have to experience dysphoria before transitioning
In my case, I never felt distress from my agab but have experienced euphoria. For info, I am trans NB, but still relatively early in transition.
Oh I see, trans here means like “not cis” rather than having transitioned from some assigned or assumed gender identity.
I can certainly see how not experiencing dysphoria is rare for binary trans people, because the two gender roles are pretty heavily enforced in most societies.
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