• trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    There’s 2 problems with that

    LGBT people deserve explicit representation as much as cishet people do, and cishet representation is all over media

    Even if there’s a LGBT coded character people will fight to death to say that they’re actually very straight and that the degenerates are attacking them personally

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      10 months ago

      Deserve how? I might be too simple to understand.

      The ratio of representation is off, because the ratio of clientele is off.

      When the demand grows, demand from actual paying customers, the representation will rise. Get more diverse people playing and creating games, and you’ll get more diverse games.

      Forcing representation has never helped any group, ever.

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        10 months ago

        What makes you think it’s forced and not LGBT creators creating or reinterpretating the characters?

        What makes you think that LGBT people aren’t consuming video games? The indie game scene is gay as fuck.

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          10 months ago

          Why do I think that? Because that’s how a capitalist market works.

          Demand creates potential value. And no game developer would leave potential value untapped.

          If there were a few really bestselling LGBT games, others would hop on the wagon, the market will get saturated for a while, and then it levels out a bit and some good concepts remain.

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          10 months ago

          I don’t necessarily disagree, but my question would be how to quantify the number of LGBT characters/games. If we assume LGBT people comprise about 10% of the population, we would expect about 10% of the content should reflect that perspective/experience. To argue that LGBT content should be actively encouraged and expanded, one would have to demonstrate some kind of data regarding the relative prevalence of LGBT content, no?

          Or is that point moot, because you believe it’s a desirable outcome to have an inflated media presence due to the fact that the LGBT community is a minority? I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with that either, but it’s a very different argument than fighting for equal representation.

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            10 months ago

            I will not rest until all the characters are gay and you will not stop me

            In all seriousness, this is a non issue and idk why you’re trying to do some weird gay ratio calculus

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              10 months ago

              It seems to me that you’re the one doing some weird gay ratio calculus. As far as I’m concerned, there is plenty of LGBT representation in video games and LGBT creators and consumers are perfectly able to create and consume all sorts of content that suits their sexual preferences. Sexuality can be emphasized or it can be minimized, depending on the individual preferences of the creators and consumers.

              But you think that this state of affairs is problematic, and that we need to be making a strong effort to make sure that video game characters are explicitly stated to be LGBT as much as possible. Feels pretty egocentric; your obsession with having characters in media reflect your own traits would seem to indicate a difficulty empathizing with people from other groups with different experiences.

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                10 months ago

                I just made the following characters gay and/or trans

                The Riddler

                Crash Bandicoot

                All of the characters of Kingdom Hearts

                Don Lino from Shark Tale

                Your mother

                Isaacs mother from The Binding of Isaac

                Ness’ mother from EarthBound

                I will continue and you cannot stop me.

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                  10 months ago

                  You can have whatever headcanon you like, but imagining that fictional characters are gay and getting angry when others don’t indulge your fantasy doesn’t seem like the most enjoyable activity. Just let everyone interpret art however they want. Thank you for your cooperation.

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        10 months ago

        They deserve it, because they exist.

        They aren’t doing anything wrong by existing.

        So developers should not have their creative freedom of using non-cis characters in their stoies taken away.