• RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Reagan sank the entire Iranian navy for mining the Persian Gulf.

    Where were the outcries? These are Russian shills.

    The Huthies shot missles at US war ships. Biden clearly has an Article 2 responsibility to defend US troops and US shipping from these assholes.

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      10 months ago

      Maybe burger empire should start respecting territorial waters of other countries and stop sailing its war ships in Yemeni territory.

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      10 months ago

      I agree, Reagan’s actions were unconstitutional. Pretty much every President since and many before also did unconstitutional things with the military.

      US ships can respond defensively, but an act of aggression (i.e. bombing a foreign country) needs Congressional approval. The fact that Presidents have ignored that and Congress let’s them get away with it is irrelevant to its Constitutionality.

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        10 months ago

        Congress gave the president this power. It’s constitutional, for now. I don’t agree with it. But as long as the war powers act is in place this is constitutional. They should take it back. The sooner the better. But this is the best we’ll get.

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          10 months ago

          The War Powers Resolution doesn’t grant the President powers, it restricts them. The opening text says this (emphasis mine):

          © Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation

          The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

          The closest is the third, since this was a response to an attack on ships, some of which are from the US. But it specifically says “national emergency,” and since the attacks weren’t directed at US ships in particular, it doesn’t seem like a national emergency to me.

          I’m not sure if this part is legally binding, but it does help clarify the rest of the bill. The most cited part is the reporting requirement, but just spelling out the reporting requirement doesn’t mean any action by the sitting president is fine.

          So my understanding of the bill is that Presidents may not initiate armed conflict without a declaration of war, specific authorization, or national emergency. Since none of those appear to apply, the strike is unconstitutional.

          That said, there are so many cases of Presidents violating this resolution (at least in the way I understand it) that there’s a argument that precedent makes it functionally legal. I disagree, but that seems to be the strongest defense here.

          I’m guessing Biden will get away with it like every other president has, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay.