Farmworkers, custodians, construction workers, and similar manual labor are labelled as “unskilled labor” yet they generally require a lot of training to do correctly. And paradoxically other trades are seen as highly skilled jobs, despite requiring a similar level of experience or training.
Also in fast food training generally lasts more than a week. Idk where you got the “lasting one week” figure. And similarly, a significant portion of “skilled labor” jobs have no training at all (as I said, office jobs often don’t have any training whatsoever even for entry-level positions).
Different job positions of the same type or in the same field require different amounts of training, expertise, etc., and trying to generalize them into categories based on what one feels is right is pretty much just a method to demean/stigmatize certain types of labor.
And by the way, difficulty being subjective is relevant because someone who finds little difficulty in a certain area may take very little to no training to be qualified for a “skilled” job, while someone who finds great difficulty in the area will take much training to be qualified for an “unskilled” job. There are plenty of people who initially have trouble doing tasks that you and I think of as simple and requiring little skill. Many “unskilled” jobs require people skills too, on the account that they have to deal with the worst behaved humans imaginable on a regular basis and get around that. Those especially require you to have a lot of skill often times, not unlike how necessary communication skills are in some skilled labor jobs (a tech position may be practically entirely built around communication and the actual “tech” part matters little).
Farmworkers, custodians, construction workers, and similar manual labor are labelled as “unskilled labor” yet they generay require a lot of training to do correctly.
Farm workers it depends on the job, running & maintaining machinery yes, picking vegetables no. Same with construction, their are unskilled jobs and trade jobs (skilled), plumber, electrician, carpenter, mason.
Also in fast food training generally lasts more than a week. Idk where you got the “lasting one week” figure. And similarly, a significant portion of “skilled labor” jobs have no training at all (as I said, office jobs often don’t have any training whatsoever even for entry-level positions).
Fast food workers are not training for a whole week, they’re shown a task and do it. The training is only 20 or 30 minutes. You are correct skilled labor positions don’t have on the job training the expectation is that they all ready posses the skills.
Different job positions of the same type or in the same field, believe it or not, require different amounts of training, expertise, etc., and trying to generalize them into categories based on what one feels is right is pretty much just a method to demean/stigmatize certain types of labor.
Strange that you’re making that argument while generalizing farmers, construction workers and similar manual labor.
Skilled labor is just labor where the person is expected to have formal training, unskilled is where there is not an expectation. I’m sorry that you look down on unskilled labor and consider it derogatory.
Man your perception of the world is really upside-down. Everything you say is pretty egregious but especially the “fast food workers are not training for a whole week, it’s in 30 minutes” shows a lack of understanding of the real world. There’s nothing that makes being a plumber or electrician inherently more skilled than being a fast food worker. I would know because I come from a family of people who work(ed) those exact jobs (electrician, plumber, lineman, etc.) and it generally doesn’t require any more experience or skill than “unskilled” labor, which I have worked and training for most people has never lasted below 2 weeks of on-the-job training. When’s the last time you worked a fast food job…?
Also pulling the “aha, by saying X is a tool for discrimination so you must discriminate based on that” is just sad. It’s the same thing Republicans do, “you’re pointing out racism, but it is in fact you who is the racist one because only a racist would think about how X is used as a tool to divide people”. It’s a cop-out.
There’s nothing that makes being a plumber or electrician inherently more skilled than being a fast food worker.
That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Let’s take a plumber they need to be proficient in welding, soldering, pipe fitting, building codes, … It more than just how to use a plunger.
What are fast food workers training on for 40 hours? What skill do fast food workers starting out posses that’s equivalent to welding a high pressure pipe that will pass x-ray inspection.
There’s no reason to be defensive about unskilled labor, it’s not claiming they are mindless idiots, just that they didn’t receive formal training to do their job.
Farmworkers, custodians, construction workers, and similar manual labor are labelled as “unskilled labor” yet they generally require a lot of training to do correctly. And paradoxically other trades are seen as highly skilled jobs, despite requiring a similar level of experience or training.
Also in fast food training generally lasts more than a week. Idk where you got the “lasting one week” figure. And similarly, a significant portion of “skilled labor” jobs have no training at all (as I said, office jobs often don’t have any training whatsoever even for entry-level positions).
Different job positions of the same type or in the same field require different amounts of training, expertise, etc., and trying to generalize them into categories based on what one feels is right is pretty much just a method to demean/stigmatize certain types of labor.
And by the way, difficulty being subjective is relevant because someone who finds little difficulty in a certain area may take very little to no training to be qualified for a “skilled” job, while someone who finds great difficulty in the area will take much training to be qualified for an “unskilled” job. There are plenty of people who initially have trouble doing tasks that you and I think of as simple and requiring little skill. Many “unskilled” jobs require people skills too, on the account that they have to deal with the worst behaved humans imaginable on a regular basis and get around that. Those especially require you to have a lot of skill often times, not unlike how necessary communication skills are in some skilled labor jobs (a tech position may be practically entirely built around communication and the actual “tech” part matters little).
Farm workers it depends on the job, running & maintaining machinery yes, picking vegetables no. Same with construction, their are unskilled jobs and trade jobs (skilled), plumber, electrician, carpenter, mason.
Fast food workers are not training for a whole week, they’re shown a task and do it. The training is only 20 or 30 minutes. You are correct skilled labor positions don’t have on the job training the expectation is that they all ready posses the skills.
Strange that you’re making that argument while generalizing farmers, construction workers and similar manual labor.
Skilled labor is just labor where the person is expected to have formal training, unskilled is where there is not an expectation. I’m sorry that you look down on unskilled labor and consider it derogatory.
Man your perception of the world is really upside-down. Everything you say is pretty egregious but especially the “fast food workers are not training for a whole week, it’s in 30 minutes” shows a lack of understanding of the real world. There’s nothing that makes being a plumber or electrician inherently more skilled than being a fast food worker. I would know because I come from a family of people who work(ed) those exact jobs (electrician, plumber, lineman, etc.) and it generally doesn’t require any more experience or skill than “unskilled” labor, which I have worked and training for most people has never lasted below 2 weeks of on-the-job training. When’s the last time you worked a fast food job…?
Also pulling the “aha, by saying X is a tool for discrimination so you must discriminate based on that” is just sad. It’s the same thing Republicans do, “you’re pointing out racism, but it is in fact you who is the racist one because only a racist would think about how X is used as a tool to divide people”. It’s a cop-out.
That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Let’s take a plumber they need to be proficient in welding, soldering, pipe fitting, building codes, … It more than just how to use a plunger.
What are fast food workers training on for 40 hours? What skill do fast food workers starting out posses that’s equivalent to welding a high pressure pipe that will pass x-ray inspection.
There’s no reason to be defensive about unskilled labor, it’s not claiming they are mindless idiots, just that they didn’t receive formal training to do their job.