• ThrowawayOnLemmy@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    That only makes sense if we aren’t already treating people differently based on race, which we do all the time.

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      10 months ago

      “We can’t stop doing X as long as we’re still doing X” doesn’t exactly make much sense either.

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          10 months ago

          X, in this case, is “treating people differently based on race.”

          I would love if we were to do un-X.

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            10 months ago

            I’d say X is more like “disproportionately and systematically disadvantaging people of color.”

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              10 months ago

              So now DEI programs are only for people of colour?

              Why not just “disadvantaged people”? That takes race out of the equation entirely, and everyone is satisfied. Unless excluding disadvantaged people of specific races or genders or whatever is actually the point.

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                10 months ago

                Extend to gender, ethnicity, LGBTQ, whatever…the key is the “systematically.” We can’t assess relative (dis)advantage at an individual level, but we can recognize it at a systemic level and develop programs that counter it systemically.

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                    10 months ago

                    The choice is “help people from systematically disadvantaged groups” or “don’t.” I’d argue that the “don’t” would be the easier choice.