Actually, some of them do.
Not every prepper is prepping because they’re crazy conservative assholes who think the world is going to end.
Many of them are minority groups that have already experienced real hardship and understand that nobody is coming to save them if the world goes to shit. They will have to be self-reliant, and they’re working on building skills for self-reliance. Many of them are using those skills in Mutual Aid groups.
I worked for a lady at my states Ecology department who was a prepper, and she was a dirty hippie who had been practicing wilderness survival for forty years and taught classes on it. She’s the kind of person I would trust with wild mushroom hunting and not ending up dead. She also wasn’t building a bunker but a community, with many friends who helped her maintain her large property living on solar-powered tiny homes.
A lot of preppers are driven by an understanding that climate change is coming, our governments aren’t prepared for it, and they know they need to be able to take care of themselves and their communities when push comes to shove.
Many of them are non-violent and prefer things like high-powered flashlights that can blind an assailant as opposed to weapons.
I know, the majority of them are conservative fucktards, but yeah, exactly, those guys will fail because they think every man is an island and aren’t working with a larger group to pool their skills into a successful post-modern-society commune.
Methinks right wing preppers know exactly what they are doing and are preparing to rob and loot the community-building efforts that other people create communally after the fall. But hey, that’s just a theory. 💅
Agreed, but if you read accounts of people who have lived through, say, war, you’ll find that that works out a lot less swimmingly than the right-wingers always assume it will be. They quickly become social pariahs, and it doesn’t matter that they have the guns, because they can’t stay organized due to infighting of people internally vying for power. There have been entire books written on this, but I think this great comment from Dee Xtrovert on MetaFilter 15 years ago about the siege of Sarajevo really sums it up.
https://www.metafilter.com/78669/What-if-things-just-keep-getting-worse#2430771
Well, unlike the majority of you (I assume), I actually lived several years in a period of savagery and killing, during which nothing - food, water, electricity, phone, clothing, sense of safety, school, the ability to go out in public, etc - was available, except during totally unpredictable, brief and sporadic occasions.
Of those who couldn’t leave my city, Sarajevo:
Some people (very few) were prepared for what they thought would be the “long haul” - this tended to be a couple of months. These people were widely seen as lunatics and dangerously pessimistic ones at that.
Most people were not at all prepared. This included my family. Many of those - like my family - considered the idea of “preparation” to be an affront to the decency we felt most people possessed. Were we wrong? Well, I don’t know. We suffered greatly; my parents were killed. But speaking only for myself, I never felt I cheapened my soul by betting on calamity. Today, that still feels like it’s worth something.
But here’s the main point: “Preparing” for the disaster really didn’t do anyone much good. Those who “prepared” ate a little better for a while. They stayed warmer for a few extra days. They enjoyed the radio for a while longer (via batteries.) But in the end, they ended up hungry, cold and bored too, just like the rest of us. Guns and weapons helped no one directly and were even of little to no use in the defense of Sarajevo, since they were toys compared to the shells, bombs and high-powered armaments of the attacking forces. The worst parts of war were psychological - the fear, anxiety, boredom, loneliness, paranoia, bad dreams. Respite from those things came with sharing food with a neighbor, finding a piece of clothing that would fit someone you knew, commiserating with others in your position, figuring out how to make make-up from brick or french fries from wheat paste and spreading this newly-acquired war knowledge around the mahala.
We knew who had extra food and supplies. For the most part, they weren’t attacked or hassled or bothered. Contrary to what these survivalists say, those in dire times generally hold on to their personal sense of pride even more than they do in normal times. I’d take a bite of a friend’s salad without bothering to ask in normal times. I’d never have done that in wartime, no matter how hungry I was.
Within the domain of those trapped in the city, civility greatly increased.
You often hear how Holocaust survivors felt guilt at surviving. Well, during war, that was a feeling everyone was aware of - people started dying right away (my parents were killed near the start of the siege, for instance) - and there was a palpable enough common sense of karma to make everyone into good Samaritans. None of us understood why we survived while others didn’t. I shared food when I had it, even though I often knew I wouldn’t have a crumb the next day. Which was no big achievement, because nearly everyone did the same.
Those who’d prepared, well, the majority of them shared their food and whatever else they had as soon as someone else was clearly in need. I can’t swear it, but I think they felt a little foolish to have been so self-obsessed, and giving away that stuff might have lessened that feeling. There were a few people who hoarded things until they ran out of stuff - eventually everybody ran out of anything worth hoarding - and they soon became wishful beggars like the rest of us. Again, I can’t swear it, but I hear stories, and it seems that these people suffer from post-war trauma, guilt and nightmares more than the rest of us.
Those survivalists, I feel sorry for them. It’s no way to live.
If there’s a best of community, your comments in this thread belong there. They’re informative and subvert expectations
Well to be fair, that’s not my comment, but rather someone else who I am quoting. I’ve just had it bookmarked for years.
Best of can definitely include curation. Thanks for share this post.
I’d like to build on your comment and the comment above yours by mentioning elite panic. Behind the bastards did a great episode on the topic for people who want more than a Wikipedia page.
The TL;DR is that the idea that average people panic in a disaster situation is verifiably false. More often than not, people look out for one another and, through tactics such as mutual aid and direct action, self organize to ensure one another’s safety as much as they can. If there is any chaos or disorder in a situation (outside of the disaster itself) it’s usually by authority figures such as government agencies, the military, police, etc trying to enforce order through violence against victims of the disaster. A good companion piece to that behind the bastards episode would be this video by anasi’s library on the response to hurricane Katrina in the US as well as A Paradise Built in Hell by Rebecca Solnit.
If you think the world is going to shit and that the powers that be will do little if anything about any of the problems posing a threat to society; you should be working on building community around you. Establish mutual aid netwotks, learn to be self reliant and pass that knowledge on to others, stockpile and make resources that will enable you and your community to survive for extended periods of time. The state wont help and is more likely to do something that gets you killed before it saves you.
Absolutely stellar addition. Thanks for the links!
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So, crafting supplies.
I know how to build a windmill out of busted car parts. If the jackals steal the windmill we’ve built… how do they know what to keep an eye on? How much can they demand from it?
Ultimately, working against a community is failure. Not even the economic power of the US could break Afghanistan, or Vietnam, etc. Almost all of us want peace and stability.
Without a deep understanding of electronics and energy, the cobbled-together windmill will ultimately provide neither.
Yeah, I suspect this is right. Far be it from me to give right-wing preppers too much benefit of the doubt (that maybe there is some logic to their illogic), but I suspect their fantasy is just to survive until all their neighbors are dead of earthquake or chemical weapon attack or political unrest or the biblical tribulation or whatever. Once all their neighbors are dead, they can take their stuff. Land, more canned and shelf-stable goods, first aid supplies, etc.
It was war that turned me into a non-survivalist. I just don’t care that much, and the worse it would get, the less I’d care. Previously I could get the whole road warrior thing. Now, I’m just like “who the fuck would want to live through that?”
For me personally, I think it’d be a case of fucking around until I can’t extract any fun out of the situation. After that, fuck it, I’m jumping off a cliff.
Sometimes, the only way to win is to not play.
who think the world is going to end
if the world goes to shit
Sounds like the same thing to me. Whether you’re conservative or not doesn’t matter. What matters is thinking the world will end or “go to shit”.
please enlighten me how building an entire civilization on finite fossil fuel resources doesn’t come to an end
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They’re prepping for the first week, and amassing guns to take from more prepared people after that. To them, Doomsday is their opportunity to go Mad Max style. They’re looking forward to being the bad guys in every post-apocalyptic film, the raider group everyone runs and hides to avoid.
Except this logic only works if they are the only ones who have a gun.
I’m going to survive doomsday by surrounding my compound with boxes labeled “AR-15 ammo” but they contain deadly snakes.
Takes care of the bad element, and as long as I figure out a plan to deal with the snakes, I get some free guns too.
Have snakes that don’t live long, only put males in the boxes and hope that live doesn’t find a way.
It will be our obligation as a collective to seize their excessive wares anyway once the chaos of an apocalypse is over, so I guess they can have fun in their final stand
One time I saw these preppers who actually did have livestock. And they powered their stove with methane and had renewable energy sources. The whole setup was kinda neat
Yeah I have some friends who are pretty set up. Also livestock now, not future livestock. They butcher their own animals.
At that point aren’t they just farmers? 👀
One might note a certain overlap in people with farms and people with doomsday bunkers.
Two of the most critical supplies that most people don’t think about prepping is salt and white sugar, because they are useful for many things and they never go bad.
On sugar specifically, it’s extremely useful because 1. It is a dense calorie source that will last forever and 2. you can use it to disinfect wounds in a pitch.
But of course, bunkering down is kinda dumb to begin with for an apocalyptic scenarios, because then you become sitting ducks.
Some preppers just want to survive 1 month in case of an natural disaster, a quarantine, or a nuclear reactor meltdown in your neighbouring country.
I always keep a stockpile on stuff that lasts forever, or only needs to replaced every couple of month (rice/pasta).
Prepping for a natural disaster is a good idea.
Having some non-perishable food, batteries (and candles), water, meds/important documents, etc tucked away for an earthquake or tornado is a lot different than stockpiling guns and ammmo; hoping for the end times so you can become a raider or something. That seems to be what a lot of these guys are fantasizing about.
You’re neglecting that bullets and weapons have (a relatively dense, and non-perishable)trade value apart from the legal currency system, like gold, liquor, medicines. Defending yourself from the preppers you’ve described, and looters in general, is also a reasonable concern.
They don’t store sugar because diabeetus.
Makes me wonder if they store enough insulin, though
the biggest problem with prepping, ironically, is other people.
The more prepared you are, the more of a target you are, the more someone else will want you dead, in order to take over your equipment.
Unless you are quite literally nomadic, you simply cannot be ready.
The best prep is knowledge and understanding because that isn’t so easy to take away.
Storing purified water is nice. Knowing how to purify water is better.
Having fish vs. Knowing how to get fish.
Next step? Thriving>surviving. Truly understand that thriving takes a village. People skills matter. If every other human is the enemy then you are clearly outnumbered.
This was one reason I chose a career path in fibre arts. I like knowing how to thread a loom and weave a basket. But it also comes with the question of who’s going to spin all the thread? That shit is booooring and you need a metric fuck ton of it.
Hence the people skills. Dr. Stone is smart but he couldn’t do anything without the mentalist to convince everyone to do the menial labor
this is pretty much it summed up. Though i tend to leave out the community part because that’s the one thing these people seem to understand. Makes my point a little more apparent.
Also i just have an inherent distrust towards other people.
The real problem is that these people live in a world of fantasy and prep for the zombie apocalypse. It’s this quasi sexual thing where they get a hard on for shooting everyone that moves, without guilt of any kind.
The problem with their approach is that the zombie apocalypse won’t happen and the people with guns are likely to be the ones starting the problem when things go slightly bad.
BTW, I have lived through natural catastrophes where we got isolated and without power for many days. Curiously, neighbors got together and helped each other. No rapists or crazy marauders. Sadly, everybody went back to their natural state of isolation once the crisis was averted.
yeah, it’s a weird sort of anti-prep in a way.
I get what they’re trying to do, i don’t understand how they think it’s going to go well though.
going to shoot your way out of an infect cut, dumbass?
shoots infected limb off with a shotgun
This isnt going to lead to lead poisoning or anything else bad.
That’s why you shoot the poisoned area, duh.
This probably goes without saying, but a large portion of the population doesn’t think these things through. They like guns, they have hero/murder fantasies, and they are paranoid and driven by fear to be “tough” and “ready.”
They are not planning out how to actually stay alive. They are planning how to kill and acquire. And I’m going to take a wild guess that many of these types also want to make sure their politicians are hurting the right people.
And just in case this comes across wrong, let me point out that this is not all preppers or people who live off the grid. It’s the gun-toting US conservative type. It is not the guy actively living off the land who has a shotgun and rifle in his cabin.
When the Apocalypse comes. They want to be a Negan-like warlord who takes everything others have stockpiled by force.
Most real peppers DO do this stuff.
Pepper farmers:
Haha fair enough.
No. I didn’t say you weren’t a prepper unless you did specific things. Some peppers do just fill a cabinet with guns and call it a day. But seeing as how much of a prepper someone is completely due to how prepared they are, the ones with seeds, animal husbandry skills, water management, air filtration, renewables, are obviously more of a prepper than man with lots of ammunition.
going to shoot your way out of an infected cut?
I mean… If you shoot off the infected part, it can’t spread to the rest of ya.
It’s essentially murder Fetishism. They get so caught up in their hero LARP that they desire the legal ability to murder their neighbors for scraps.
Tell me you know jack shit about prepping without telling me you know jack shit about prepping.
I feel like there are two kinds of preppers.
OP is clearly making fun of only one of them.
Now like all meems, I stole this And the person I stole this from seems to be someone who understands what actual prepping would look like, possibly even someone who’s done it, and is making fun of all the “this is my bunker, I have 200 guns and 40 kilograms of canned food. What? First aid? That’s for womens.” type preppers.
You’ve met this “type of prepper”? Know anyone who has? I’ve known a lot of preppers, and First Aid stuff, as well as maintaining connections with people who have medical experience, was a priority for all of them.
I’m willing to bet many of them aren’t accounting for scurvy either.
