• Kecessa
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    11 months ago

    Also like how do you talk about liberalism and neoliberalism in a non confusing way while also claiming liberalism is left?

    You make it clear with your audience that you’re talking about the “liberal” in the economic sense and not “liberal” in the philosophical sense. From a philosophical perspective is the difference between being pro changes (liberal) vs being against changes (conservative), and as the person previously mentioned, in this sense you could say there are conservative communists (want to follow Marx’s philosophy to the letter) and liberal communists (believe in the basic principles but feel some things need to be adjusted), just like there are liberal conservatives (believe in small/efficient State but individual freedoms) and conservative conservatives (social conservatives).

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      You make it clear with your audience that you’re talking about the “liberal” in the economic sense and not “liberal” in the philosophical sense.

      Liberalism as a philosophy is connected to the economic structure? Are you referring to a different philosophy and calling it liberal?

      From a philosophical perspective is the difference between being pro changes (liberal) vs being against changes (conservative)

      Okay, yes, you are. Liberalism is literally the status quo.

      in this sense you could say there are conservative communists (want to follow Marx’s philosophy to the letter) and liberal communists (believe in the basic principles but feel some things need to be adjusted)

      You literally can’t be a marxist and take Marx as dogma. Marxism is a process based ideology.

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          11 months ago

          The issue is that your definition is “dumbed down” to the point that it loses utility when discussing politics and conceals cultural hegemony.

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            No it doesn’t because, you just have to specify what you mean because the word has multiple definitions and in OP’s example it’s the definition I’ve provided that’s being used and you should have known because of the context (liberalism as opposed to conservatism).

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              Of course the word has multiple definitions, that definition just obscures the shit out of everything and isn’t very useful. It literally obscures that conservatives are also liberals (in the more meaningful sense) and obscures the difference between left and liberal.

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                It literally obscures that conservatives are also liberals (in the more meaningful sense) and obscures the difference between left and liberal.

                Only if you use another definition of the word.

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                  11 months ago

                  How do you talk about liberal hegemony (marxist definition) while using the nonsense definition in a non-bulky way?

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                    11 months ago

                    First of all, I already answered that question many times and second of all, you calling it a “nonsense” definition shows that you’re just arguing in bad faith because you’re not ready to accept that you just didn’t know that the word has multiple definitions depending on context.

                    Good night.