There needs to be a decent charge/punishment absolutely, but harsher punishment will not stop this.
The monopoly of violence lies with the government and they need to treat that with much more tact and finesse than they currently do in the US. No knock raids, SWAT teams filled with former veterans trained to kill by the military are employed without hesitation, this is wrong. The responsibility lies with the government and law enforcement to be more careful and know what they are getting into before even considering employing deadly force.
I know a bunch of vets that swear that police rules of engagement are insane and they would have gotten in deep shit for acting in a fucking war zone the way cops do here.
For one thing, opening fire on a civilian or other non-combatant that hasn’t already fired live rounds at you will get your ass court-martialed, dishonorably discharged, and imprisoned faster than you can say “Miranda rights”
And somehow that happens dozens of times per day in American police departments
You know your country is fucked when your first thought is, “if someone dies when the cops show up at the home of someone completely innocent, then whomever called them should be charged with murder.”
Yeah they should. But if while committing a crime you cause the death of someone, then that’s murder.
Like if I’m robbing you and you get so scared you have a heart attack and die, I can say, “well I expect people to exercise more and keep in better shape so they don’t have heart attacks. I guess I have high standards.” I can say that, but I’m still getting charged with murder in most places, because if I didn’t commit that crime you’d still be alive.
No, I understand the legal concept. My point is that police, and especially SWAT, should be trained well enough that the idea that anyone would be in danger if they were to show up at an innocent person’s house would be so ridiculous that we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. In the US, it takes about 650 hours of training to become a police officer on average, and 3000 to become a cosmetologist. That’s fucked up.
I guess I don’t understand what we are talking about, sorry. This thread is in reply to:
I mean, it should be true for any country. SWATting isn’t a US only phenomenon.
Which I know wasn’t your comment, but I took that to mean that because it happens in other countries then the US isn’t that fucked. My original comment didn’t specify the US and was a benchmark that could be applied to all countries, so the reply sounded argumentative to me.
Maybe I was reading something into it that wasn’t there? Sorry for being a dumbass!
There needs to be a much more severe punishment for the person who makes the fake call, especially if anyone is hurt as a result of it.
There needs to be a decent charge/punishment absolutely, but harsher punishment will not stop this.
The monopoly of violence lies with the government and they need to treat that with much more tact and finesse than they currently do in the US. No knock raids, SWAT teams filled with former veterans trained to kill by the military are employed without hesitation, this is wrong. The responsibility lies with the government and law enforcement to be more careful and know what they are getting into before even considering employing deadly force.
I know a bunch of vets that swear that police rules of engagement are insane and they would have gotten in deep shit for acting in a fucking war zone the way cops do here.
This, if swat teams and police raids weren’t as violent and deadly as they are, swatting would cease to be a thing in the first place.
Shithead trolls would lose a tool to harass.
For one thing, opening fire on a civilian or other non-combatant that hasn’t already fired live rounds at you will get your ass court-martialed, dishonorably discharged, and imprisoned faster than you can say “Miranda rights”
And somehow that happens dozens of times per day in American police departments
Didn’t Biden make no-knock raids illegal?
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The fed can regulate any armed forces as per the second amendment. And “no duty to protect” means they’re not constitutionally obliged to stop crimes.
If anyone dies it should be a 1st degree murder charge.
You know your country is fucked when your first thought is, “if someone dies when the cops show up at the home of someone completely innocent, then whomever called them should be charged with murder.”
I mean, it should be true for any country. SWATting isn’t a US only phenomenon.
I expect any country’s SWAT team to be able to show up at an innocent person’s house and NOT kill anyone. I guess I have high standards.
Yeah they should. But if while committing a crime you cause the death of someone, then that’s murder.
Like if I’m robbing you and you get so scared you have a heart attack and die, I can say, “well I expect people to exercise more and keep in better shape so they don’t have heart attacks. I guess I have high standards.” I can say that, but I’m still getting charged with murder in most places, because if I didn’t commit that crime you’d still be alive.
No, I understand the legal concept. My point is that police, and especially SWAT, should be trained well enough that the idea that anyone would be in danger if they were to show up at an innocent person’s house would be so ridiculous that we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. In the US, it takes about 650 hours of training to become a police officer on average, and 3000 to become a cosmetologist. That’s fucked up.
https://www.trainingreform.org/not-enough-training
Nobody said otherwise?
I guess I don’t understand what we are talking about, sorry. This thread is in reply to:
Which I know wasn’t your comment, but I took that to mean that because it happens in other countries then the US isn’t that fucked. My original comment didn’t specify the US and was a benchmark that could be applied to all countries, so the reply sounded argumentative to me.
Maybe I was reading something into it that wasn’t there? Sorry for being a dumbass!
I’m not confident you actually know what swatting is.
If no one dies, it should be attempted murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule
In a lot of places if someone dies as a result of you committing a felony you catch a murder charge.
Reliable punishment is much more effective than harsh punishment.
People try shit when they expect to get away with it.