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    9 months ago

    Do you guys care about anything other than this bullshit?

    Like, when are you guys going to suggest building policy that actually makes the lives of citizens better?

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        9 months ago

        Well yeah, America is a pretty good tribe.

        Leftists say humans are their tribe, but judging from their actions, they put every other tribe above their own. Oppression totempole thinking.

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      9 months ago

      We have. Secure the border. Repeal the NFA. Go hard on crime. Voter ID. Parental rights. Outlaw Abortion (Among some of us, we arent a monolith) Outlaw Puberty Blockers (Again, among some). EVs (Among some) Enshrine the right to repair. Hell, even culture war shit, might as well throw in the guys who care way too much about movies and entertainment.

      I can go on, but I’m starting to get into the weeds here.

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        I’m really struggling to comprehend some of these.

        “Life sure is tough nowadays. I feel like the American dream is dead and I’m struggling to get by. If only the government could help.”

        “Don’t worry! I hear the government just [removed gun restrictions / made prison sentences longer / gave everyone an ID / outlawed abortion / outlawed puberty blockers / made showing gay things on tv illegal]!”

        “Finally! My life is sure to improve for the better!”

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          Life sure is tough nowadays. I feel like the American dream is dead and I’m struggling to get by. If only the government could help

          You’re aware that not everyone shares your point of view, and political opinions about what should be done, right? Because it just seems stupid to cry about a political party you don’t support anyway representing what people who disagree with you want the government to be doing.

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            “What policy do you think would improve people’s lives?”

            “Make the national anthem death metal”

            “Uhh alright that’s a weird one. I’m really not seeing how that would improve people’s lives”

            “Look man, not everyone shares your opinions”

            Yeah I get that, but that really doesn’t help me understand! I do understand some of the responses. Immigration policy changes? Sure. Not everyone’s going to agree on it, but I can see how it can effect the lives of the average person.

            How is banning puberty blockers going to improve the life of the average person? No judgement, I really honestly truly don’t understand. Everyone has more guns? What improves? I don’t get it!

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          9 months ago

          Theres more than just the economy, but securing the border, deporting illegals, and raising tariffs will make things better for American workers. Hard to compete with cheap 3rd world countries.

          Hell you could go further and slow down the worker visa programs, although I’m not sure how many agree with me on that.

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            There’s a trade-off you have to make with tariffs.

            By raising tariffs, you protect the industry from foreign competition. Sure, workers might have relatively more secure jobs than they would otherwise, but the product of their work is also more expensive and would cost consumers more. Without the tariffs, the industry would be required to produce lower cost goods to compete with foreign counterparts, workers have more precarious jobs, but consumers spend less over all.

            The thing is workers are consumers in other areas of their life. The Libertarian justification for eliminating tariffs is that, without tariffs, people have more economic liberty through lower costs to make optimal choices in their lives. Their rejection of tariffs derives from the inefficiencies tariffs introduce into the market that raise costs and hamper economic liberty. So, if, as you say, we raise tariffs to protect American workers, we’re cutting off our hand to save our fingers.

            Naturally, Cato Institute is also in favor of increasing immigration.

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              True, there is a balance. Personally I think we can get more protective without cutting off our hand.

              Hell, look at the chicken tax. Pickups have a big tariff on them, theyre made here, and theyre still very popular.

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                Yeah, and people who buy light trucks pay a premium for it then turn around and complain about high gas prices.

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        We have. Secure the border.

        You guys shot that down, because preventing Biden from having a win was more important.

        You guys pretty much admitted the panic over the border is not a priority, that it’s overblown. It’s just political theater.

        Repeal the NFA. Go hard on crime. Voter ID. Outlaw Abortion (Among some of us, we arent a monolith) Outlaw Puberty Blockers (Again, among some).

        Those are restrictions/undoing things, not actually building anything. Nor do they actually help people.

        Parental rights

        That’s some PR bullshit. All you guys are doing is outing LGBTQ youth, and destroying public education all under the guise of parental rights.

        EVs (Among some)

        What do you mean EVs?

        Enshrine the right to repair.

        https://www.coloradopols.com/diary/187908/republicans-celebrate-right-to-repair-that-they-opposed

        Hell, even culture war shit

        Culture war bullshit is not an example of the GOP building something up to help the average American. If you think that was a good example, no wonder the GOP never gets anything real done.

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          You guys shot that down, because preventing Biden from having a win was more important.

          Just parroting the line doesn’t make it true. The bill was shot down because it was fucking abysmal and wouldn’t actually accomplish anything. It was the bare minimum democrats had to do to try and shift the blame for problems they caused and refuse to fix. Not an actual solution.

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            The bill was shot down because it was fucking abysmal and wouldn’t actually accomplish anything.

            Right. Republicans were demanding it go through until the moment Trump said it was bad. But it was actually the result of it not accomplishing enough. /s

            Quit fooling yourself.

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              Up until a week ago nobody knew what was in it, dems were only releasing bullet points. Once people read it they opposed it.

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                  You can read it for yourself and make your own decisions rather than relying on people who hate America to interpret it for you.

                  Don’t worry I won’t rely on you to interpret it for me.

                  The 4,000 number that triggers a border close doesn’t close it, it only gives the option to close it.

                  (A) DISCRETIONARY ACTIVATION.—The Secretary may activate the border emergency authority if, during a period of 7 consecutive calendar days, there is an average of 4,000 or more aliens who are encountered each day.

                  Then there’s the 5000 trigger but naturally there are exceptions.

                  © An unaccompanied alien child. (D) An alien who an immigration officer determines, with the approval of a supervisory immigration officer, should be excepted from the border emergency authority based on the totality of the circumstances … (F) An alien who has a valid visa or other lawful permission to enter the United States, including— … (iv) an alien who presents at a port of entry pursuant to a process approved by the Secretary to allow for safe and orderly entry into the United States.

                  Even those loopholes were not enough so they made sure they could ignore the mandatory closing.

                  Whenever the border emergency authority is activated, the Secretary shall have the authority, in the Secretary’s sole and unreviewable discretion, to summarily remove from and prohibit, in whole or in part, entry into the United States of any alien identified in subsection (a)(3) who is subject to such authority in accordance with this subsection.>

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                  But let me guess. You’re just going to cry anyway when people read it and decide that it fucking sucks?

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                Matter of fact, I’ll do some reading for you. You tell me if these things are bad.

                For an additional amount for ‘‘U.S. Immigration and19 Customs Enforcement—Operations and Support’’,$7,600,833,000, to remain available until September 30, 2026: Provided, That of the total amount provided under this heading in this Act, $3,230,648,000 shall be for increased custodial detention capacity, $2,548,401,000 shall be for increased removal flights and related activities, including short-term staging facilities, $534,682,000 shall be for hiring U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement personnel, and $1,287,102,000 shall be for increased enrollment capabilities and related activities within the Alternatives to Detention program…

                ADMINISTRATION FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES REFUGEE AND ENTRANT ASSISTANCE5 For an additional amount for ‘‘Refugee and Entrant Assistance’’, $350,000,000, to remain available until expended, for carrying out section 235©(5)(B) of the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008

                DEPARTMENT OF STATE INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT For an additional amount for ‘‘International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement’’, $25,000,000, to re main available until September 30, 2025, to counter the flow of fentanyl, fentanyl precursors, and other synthetic drugs into the United States…

                SEC. 3203. INTERNAL RELOCATION. (a) IN GENERAL .—Section 208(b)(2)(A) of the Im migration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1158(b)(2)(A)) is amended—

                • (1) in clause (v), by striking ‘‘or’’ at the end;
                • (2) in clause (vi), by striking the period at the end and inserting ‘‘; or’’; and
                • (3) by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(vii) there are reasonable grounds for concluding that the alien could avoid persecution by relocating to—‘‘(I) another location in the alien’s country of nationality; or‘‘(II) in the case of an alien having no nationality, another location in the alien’s country of last habitual residence.’’.

                ‘(b) BORDER EMERGENCY AUTHORITY DESCRIBED .—

                ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL .—Whenever the border emergency authority is activated, the Secretary shall have the authority, in the Secretary’s sole and unreviewable discretion, to summarily remove from and prohibit, in whole or in part, entry into the United States of any alien identified in subsection (a)(3) who is subject to such authority in accordance with this subsection.

                All of those sections can be found in the link of my other comment. So, this isn’t even interpretation, just what is exactly in the bill.

                What is here that’s worth opposing exactly?

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          Gop != all conservatives. Again, not a monolith.

          You guys shot that down, because preventing Biden from having a win was more important.

          That bill would have made it worse.

          What do you mean EVs?

          ElectrIc vehicles. A lot of conservatives hate them and think we shouldnt be subsidizing them.

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            That bill would have made it worse.

            Zero explanation given, thanks. Really convincing.

            ElectrIc vehicles. A lot of conservatives hate them and think we shouldnt be subsidizing them.

            So hatred of electric vehicles makes the average american better off? What the fuck are you talking about?

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              We webt over this in an earlier post, didnt we?

              Also Im not going to pretend to fully understand ev hate, other than when assholes chop up classics to put in an ev drivetrain. I just put it in there because its usually conservatves who do it

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                I just put it in there because its usually conservatves who do it

                But what does it have to do with helping the average american?