But Hitler gained power when the first-place party nominated him to the Chancellory as an effort to be bipartisan
What? The first-place party at that time was the Nazi party. Hindenburg had been ignoring the parliament for a long time by then, and he only wanted it to support him in order to prevent a potential civil war. From “The comming of the third reich” by Richard J. Evans:
The Reichstag had been pushed completely to the margins as a political factor. It was, in fact, no longer needed, not even to pass laws. Yet the problem remained that any government which tried to change the constitution in an authoritarian direction without the legitimacy afforded by the backing of a majority in the legislature would run a serious risk of starting a civil war.
Hitler was seen as a simple idiot they could place to play as a chancelor, while Hindenburg and co. would actually run the country. But it turned out that the chancelorship and the police were enough for him to take over the country completely.
The first-place party at that time was the Nazi party.
Hindenberg trumped Hitler by nearly 6M votes. The Nazi Parliament comprised roughly a 1/3rd of seats. Well short of a working majority, absent a host of like-minded Germans in the Friekorps and the liberal aristocracy.
Hindenburg had been ignoring the parliament for a long time by then, and he only wanted it to support him in order to prevent a potential civil war.
Thank goodness we didn’t end up with a Germany cleaved down the middle. He really dodged a bullet.
Hitler was seen as a simple idiot they could place to play as a chancelor
Yes, in the same way that Trump was seen as a bumbling chud whom Hillary could catapult over to victory in 2016. Or when Bush Jr or Reagan were dismissed as lightweights during their first runs. There’s always this general disregard for popular politics, right up until it bites the incumbent in the ass.
the chancelorship and the police were enough for him to take over the country completely
The chancellorship, the police, and streets full of brown-shirts imposing martial law after the burning of the Reichstag. Of course, the German state had made such a fetish of Communists as traitors and saboteurs and foreign agents that Hindenburg went right along with the coup for fear of being labeled one himself.
That was the real power of the Nazi movement. The ability to, at any moment, single a person or a neighborhood or an ethnicity out as a scapegoat and unleash a wave of violence against them.
In the modern moment, we have the same problem in the form of right wing religious and media organizations. And we’ve got a modern day Weimer Republic that simply goes along to get along, rather than putting up any kind of resistance or organized opposition.
Democrats threw tens of millions of dollars to a “Pro-Trump” Dem Senate candidate in Tennessee. Mayor Adams, up in NYC, has echoed a host of the Trump “immigrant invasion” talking points, when confronted with bus-loads of women and children kidnapped and displaced by governors’ Abbot and DeSantis.
Our AG is once again refusing to close the torture camp in Gitmo, while Anthony Blinken runs around the Middle East peddling advanced weapons systems to extremist governments in Saudi Arabia and Nigeria and India.
Even if Biden wins in '24, its very likely he’ll have a GOP House and Senate to deal with. How many concessions will a guy who spent his entire career advocating Bipartisanship make to a Republican Party that’s packed to the brim with Trump wanna-bes?
There is a very real possibility that Biden will give us a new round of ranking bureaucrats and judges who are right in line with Donald Trump, simply because that’s what the GOP Congressional majority demands of him.
You realistically have 3 choices when it comes to voting at this point. You can vote for a fascist, vote for a bipartisan incumbent, or basically don’t vote. Btw, the fascist is under a ton of stress from numerous ongoing civil and criminal lawsuits and presidency is pretty much their last stand.
If Trump doesn’t win this year, do you really think Republicans would be able to work together under a power vacuum that would create? I think that a good amount of Republicans are already sick of Trump and can’t leave the cult because they’re the minority, but if he’s not elected this year I think that might change.
You can vote for a fascist, vote for a bipartisan incumbent
If you’re being bipartisan with fascism…
the fascist is under a ton of stress from numerous ongoing civil and criminal lawsuits and presidency is pretty much their last stand
The problem with this theory is that Trump’s not a unique or singular point. If he drops dead of a heart attack tomorrow, Americans won’t magically wake up from a fascist slumber. They’ll just go hunting for the next banner waver. That guy isn’t going to have all the legal baggage or the decades of antipathy built up against him that Trump’s got.
The next American Fascist leader is going to be smoother and more polished than this bumbling horny coke head. He’s going to bill himself as Bipartisan, too. And I suspect quite a few liberals are going to gobble him up in no small part because democrats like Biden gave them nothing worth supporting.
But Hitler gained power when the first-place party nominated him to the Chancellory as an effort to be bipartisan.
Why am I voting for Hindenberg if he’s just going to appoint Hitler to head up Homeland Security?
What? The first-place party at that time was the Nazi party. Hindenburg had been ignoring the parliament for a long time by then, and he only wanted it to support him in order to prevent a potential civil war. From “The comming of the third reich” by Richard J. Evans:
Hitler was seen as a simple idiot they could place to play as a chancelor, while Hindenburg and co. would actually run the country. But it turned out that the chancelorship and the police were enough for him to take over the country completely.
Hindenberg trumped Hitler by nearly 6M votes. The Nazi Parliament comprised roughly a 1/3rd of seats. Well short of a working majority, absent a host of like-minded Germans in the Friekorps and the liberal aristocracy.
Thank goodness we didn’t end up with a Germany cleaved down the middle. He really dodged a bullet.
Yes, in the same way that Trump was seen as a bumbling chud whom Hillary could catapult over to victory in 2016. Or when Bush Jr or Reagan were dismissed as lightweights during their first runs. There’s always this general disregard for popular politics, right up until it bites the incumbent in the ass.
The chancellorship, the police, and streets full of brown-shirts imposing martial law after the burning of the Reichstag. Of course, the German state had made such a fetish of Communists as traitors and saboteurs and foreign agents that Hindenburg went right along with the coup for fear of being labeled one himself.
That was the real power of the Nazi movement. The ability to, at any moment, single a person or a neighborhood or an ethnicity out as a scapegoat and unleash a wave of violence against them.
In the modern moment, we have the same problem in the form of right wing religious and media organizations. And we’ve got a modern day Weimer Republic that simply goes along to get along, rather than putting up any kind of resistance or organized opposition.
Can you explain this line of thinking? I’ve heard this before but it doesn’t line up for me.
Democrats threw tens of millions of dollars to a “Pro-Trump” Dem Senate candidate in Tennessee. Mayor Adams, up in NYC, has echoed a host of the Trump “immigrant invasion” talking points, when confronted with bus-loads of women and children kidnapped and displaced by governors’ Abbot and DeSantis.
Our AG is once again refusing to close the torture camp in Gitmo, while Anthony Blinken runs around the Middle East peddling advanced weapons systems to extremist governments in Saudi Arabia and Nigeria and India.
Even if Biden wins in '24, its very likely he’ll have a GOP House and Senate to deal with. How many concessions will a guy who spent his entire career advocating Bipartisanship make to a Republican Party that’s packed to the brim with Trump wanna-bes?
There is a very real possibility that Biden will give us a new round of ranking bureaucrats and judges who are right in line with Donald Trump, simply because that’s what the GOP Congressional majority demands of him.
I think that argument is pretty defeatist.
You realistically have 3 choices when it comes to voting at this point. You can vote for a fascist, vote for a bipartisan incumbent, or basically don’t vote. Btw, the fascist is under a ton of stress from numerous ongoing civil and criminal lawsuits and presidency is pretty much their last stand.
If Trump doesn’t win this year, do you really think Republicans would be able to work together under a power vacuum that would create? I think that a good amount of Republicans are already sick of Trump and can’t leave the cult because they’re the minority, but if he’s not elected this year I think that might change.
If you’re being bipartisan with fascism…
The problem with this theory is that Trump’s not a unique or singular point. If he drops dead of a heart attack tomorrow, Americans won’t magically wake up from a fascist slumber. They’ll just go hunting for the next banner waver. That guy isn’t going to have all the legal baggage or the decades of antipathy built up against him that Trump’s got.
The next American Fascist leader is going to be smoother and more polished than this bumbling horny coke head. He’s going to bill himself as Bipartisan, too. And I suspect quite a few liberals are going to gobble him up in no small part because democrats like Biden gave them nothing worth supporting.
I’ll take “a very real possibility” over an absolute certainty.