Killed if Ukrainian, Died if Palestinian

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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    9 months ago

    It’s hard line to tow, but if you are going to say they’re open to peace, you got to stick to it

    What does this even mean? They have been open to peace and tried to negotiate peacefully far before October 7.

    Israel keeps breaking all its deals which leaves violent resistance as the only option they have left for peace.

    You’ve watched a few too many Disney movies where "the good guy “keep getting punched in the face and never hit anyone that oppose them because 'they’re above that and that would make them just as evil as the other guy!”.

    This is where I have a problem, you’re framing ‘lower end of civilian casualty’ as a good statistic to look at and a sign that one side is somehow ‘noble’.

    Yes intentionally avoiding killing many civilians and especially children is objectively better than indiscriminately massacring every single child you can find like israel does and like many other resistance groups have done in the past.

    A reminder that in total EIGHT children under 10 died on october 7. israel kills more than that every single day.

    People are so far brainwashed that if they hear “khamas evil evil evil” enough times they magically believe that they are actually worse than israel which is literally trying to wipe out every single Palestinian from the face of the earth and are dreaming of having the 2/3 civilian casualty rate Hamas has

    Hamas’s government is built upon israel never accepting any peaceful deal or keeping their promises, something which israel has proven many times over the past 75 years.

    You’d be out there saying that the Jews should have just negotiated with Adolf Hitler instead of fighting back as if that’s even an option.

    • BarbecueCowboy@kbin.social
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      9 months ago

      They have been open to peace and tried to negotiate peacefully far before October 7.

      You’re saying they want peace then describing them as a violent resistance. Those don’t match up.

      “khamas evil evil evil”

      They’re unapologetically and unashamedly a terrorist organization and describe themselves as such. You’re the only one confused. They publicly claim responsibility for acts of terror like the below:

      Hamas Suicide Bombings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks#:~:text=A%202007%20study%20of%20Palestinian,PFLP)%20and%202.7%25%20by%20other%20and%202.7%25%20by%20other)

      Hamas’s government is built upon israel never accepting any peaceful deal

      Partially correct, but misleading, the charter that Hamas was founded on:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter

      Hamas’ government was built on a requirement for violent jihad and fantasizing about the death of all jews (it’s specifically in the charter). The government charter specifically speaks against negotiating for peace. Notable extra callouts railing against equal rights for women, codifying them as exclusively ‘homemakers’ and ‘child rearers’. A whole special section just to state that womens suffrage was something the west made up just to make them specifically look bad.

      Your next comment should be something along the lines of “I give up on this, you’re obviously not listening to this stuff I made up”. Make sure to include a segue with an analogy comparing it to something else though.

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        9 months ago

        Yeah the Allies fought against Hitler with violence because they wanted to kill all Germans and never achieve peace.

        And the ANC too they didn’t want peace they just wanted genocide!

        Childish arguments.

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          9 months ago

          Yeah the Allies fought against Hitler with violence because they wanted to kill all Germans and never achieve peace.
          And the ANC too they didn’t want peace they just wanted genocide!

          There’s the segue that no one cares about that I mentioned in my last reply.

          Childish arguments.

          And, there’s the ‘I give up and go home’ statement I predicted in the last reply too. It was expected after any sources are presented.

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            9 months ago

            Maybe post something relevant next time and learn about history before you write a 5 pages long nothing burger.

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              9 months ago

              Oh look everybody we got a repeat from this one of giving up and going home once it’s pointed out that they’ve offered nothing!

              Still not seeing any comments on the sources. How you feel about the hamas charter? Was women’s suffrage where it all went wrong? Openly admitting to suicide bombings and other acts of terror and being proud of being a terrorist organization? Is that what the good guys do?

              This isn’t me, this is coming direct from your ‘good guys’.