The admins are blatantly censoring the drawing, putting checkerboard squares or circles of random color over that part. Here are some screenshots I took only seconds apart.
No, I’m sure that’s a “silent majority” of users who support everything that Reddit The Company does banding together to stamp out the minority of noisy rabble-rousers. /s
Sure, the silent majority of spez’s accounts
The guy must be on some serious copium rx with all things going down
I actually saw that happen in real time, did we confirm it was an admin action?
All the pixels came in at the same time
If you spend time watching /r/place you see that pictures mostly form in a natural, progressive way. This is the only place you see hundreds of pixels being changed uniformly all at once. Even bots would be making more gradual changes than this. It’s clearly someone who has a brush tool for censoring.
Wasn’t an admin caught doing something similar last time place came around?
Yeah and when I pointed it out I copped 3 day suspension with no message
Idk how many times this has to happen before people stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Wouldn’t surprise me, Reddit admins keep acting in the same bad faith ways, but now we have a viable alternative platform
Chtorr was their name, iirc.
Yes, that rings a bell
Random pixels? At this time of Reddit? In this part of r/place? Localized entirely on spez’s head?
Yes!
Can I see it?
No.
I’m sure it was just by chance.
Oh, we can all agree it’s not random at this point…
It’s the Admins, the new pixels don’t have any usernames attached to them.
Probably a bit then
Who else? Seriously… Who else?
Literally anyone with 20 bots.
There is tremendous value in pursuing evidence for the things we believe, rather than spending life totally convinced that our first assumption is always the truth
That’s how it has always been for all places. Admins have the power to erase anything that goes against Reddit’s ToS. Depicting spez under the guillotine is against their ToS, but writing “fuck spez” isn’t, which is why one gets deleted and the other remains.
It makes sense IMO. It’s just like admins having the power to erase swastikas, homophobic or transphobic content, blatant product advertisements and so on. Nothing wrong with it, IMO.
They didnt depict him being decapitated, but his Snoo (i believe those are called Snoos) being decapitated. I think those are two entirely different things, especially given the french revolution theme around it.
Admins are being pussies imo. (After making a very bad decision in returning /r/place) They are of course fully within their right to, and that’s why reddit sucks.
Writing “spez” on the face of the alien was probably a mistake if they didn’t want to get censored.
True, but I don’t think the message comes across the same without it.
I think there’s too much focus on spez and not enough on Reddit. He is making some bad decisions for sure, but in the end the problem with Reddit is much greater than whoever happens to be the CEO.
It’s easy to direct hate towards an individual, but I think it might not be particularly fruitful.
The problem with reddit is, in my opinion, inherent to the way it’s designed. I think that similar to a monarchy, the previous system needs to be forgotten and improved upon. (Not to say that the aftermath of the French Revolution was a great improvement) Whether its spez or anyone else, you cannot make Reddit a healthy platform and go public.
Exactly this ⬆️
I don’t know, I’m seeing a pretty large and blatant product advert on there for Boner Kebab right now.
Reddit is pro-advertisers now, so not an issue!
It’s just like admins having the power to erase swastikas
Do you think they’ll do this one day? Didn’t Canada spend the entire time trying to un-swastika their flag last time, or am I misremembering?
Canada spent the whole time trying to draw the maple leaf. At one point their whole flag got banana’d.
sad Canadian noise
Isn’t that just the sound maple syrup makes when hitting the forest floor instead of a bucket? I kid, I fucking love maple anything
Licking maple trees, trust me, not the same maple flavor. 100% needs to be concentrated in some form, theeen it’s delicious.
I wonder if humans enjoy the taste of maple because of syrup, and if any other tree, should it produce more sugar/enough sap, would be equally yummy… other than like… coniferous… 🤮
Hmm google says walnut, birch, box elder and sycamore, but lower sugar content so more sap meeded… I wonder what walnut syrup would taste like… brb planting a walnut.
Surprised they’re not selling blatant product advertisements for it!
Give it a few more hours
That’s some bullshit right there. Thanks for capturing it.
Quebec still representing on Reddit is ironic and embarrassing.
Again, this is why the correct protest should have been to make everything Black or White.
I didn’t know you could up/downvote on imgur. I wonder where all the downvotes came from…
lol yes there’s a whole underground imgur social network full of users unaware that imgur was originally just an image hosting website for reddit. By default the images I uploaded were private but I decided to click the button to make them a public post just out of curiousity of what imgur’s opinion on the matter might be. Turns out it’s not interesting for them.
It was hilariously bizarre when it was discovered that a population of mole people had been living inside reddit’s image host for some period of time. Especially since they were were getting up in arms about how much reddit content was crowding up the site.
Wonder what life’s like in there these days.
I was one of those mole people for a while before I made the jump to Reddit, and it was equally bizarre to me as an Imgur user that other Imgur users would get mad about all the Reddit content there. Like… that’s the whole POINT of this place isn’t it??
Mole people! Yeah, at some point the disconnect between the two populations resulted in losing track of history. I just remember browsing the drama and chuckling at the sheer indignation towards Redditors treating Imgur as their personal image hosting site. Redditors got to feel superior after discovering that Imgur existed to serve them, and Imgurians(?) got to experience the horror of learning that the world was not what they thought it was.
There was a surprising amount of confusion on both sides.
Huh I always wondered why the images I uploaded to imgur were always downvoted for some reason. Now it makes a lot more sense, because I was just using it as an image host for Reddit threads.
Should I feel bad about it?
Nah, that was it’s purpose. It’s like the pantry getting mad that you keep putting flour in it. That said there was more of a divergence once Reddit started hosting media directly and Imgur essentially gained its independence, so maybe they’re more aggressively anti-hosting content these days.
I guess you could always mark everything private so it only shows up by following the link, but I was already out of touch a decade ago when it came to the Imgur community, so I’m basically just a random bystander at this point.
It was expected
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If this was being done over lemmy with lemmy.word admin name in it, would it be censored?
Come on man, that’s Ruud.
That’s comparing apples and community centers; people would just leave and block this instance.
I refuse to help Reddit artificially juice their active users metrics by signing back in to contribute, but this is pretty funny
Yeah, I find protesting Reddit by using Reddit to be incredibly stupid. Just leave and don’t touch it at all, if their user metrics and site traffic are so low, then they’re just gonna lose their advertisers, which is probably one of their main sources of income.
Honorable mention to the people giving shooting star awards (you know, the EXPENSIVE one) to all of the comments on /r/place. Sure did show them there didn’t you!
Some people were premium subscribers for years. They probably just used their accumulated coins since they’re being taken away soon.
This is the way
You have to use the mobile app too. This is purely a stunt to get app adoption.
These people cannot control themselves. They’re protesting a company by making them money.
If you have an adblocker and/or other privacy browser plugins how do they make any money from you? If anything, you’ve wasted some bandwidth and server cycles, so you cost them money.
I suppose an argument could be made that by adding to it you’ve created some tiny bit of content someone without adblockers might be enticed to see.
They make them money because:
- they use reddit
- spez gets some nice usage stats to show off
- as a direct consequence, advertisers keep paying to put their ads
- also as a direct consequence, investors’ confidence in reddit continues to recover; there’s a real possibility that, when it IPOs, it will actually go for a decent price
Now, if enough people go commit ad-block, and advertisers somehow become wise to that fact… then maybe it will hurt reddit’s bottom line (at which point spez will start trying to emulate youtube’s anti-ad stuff).
But as it stands, especially if most of reddit’s usage is through reddit’s mobile app… I’m not really sure how you can block ads there.
Those are fair points. Regarding adblock in the official app, you can use ReVanced to patch an .apk similar to how you block ads in YouTube.
thank you for the info, noted, incredibly based
thank you for the info, noted, incredibly based
You can’t go to place on a mobile browser. It pops up a message that you have to use the app or a desktop browser.
I was able to get there via mobile browser. Reddit has said that they’ve been testing disabling mobile reddit for some people but not all.
(at which point spez will start trying to emulate youtube’s anti-ad stuff).
I’m curious. What’s Youtube’s anti-ad stuff? I don’t remember the last time I saw an ad on Youtube.
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I’ll go without youtube before i watch their shitty ads. Unobtrusive ads, fine. Contextual ads instead of invasive behavioral ads, maybe. But the current system is trash and they can fuck off.
The theory is that their July traffic numbers are probably down so they’re boosting them with /r/place traffic so that the drop due to 3rd party apps doesn’t look as bad to investors. Reddit probably sees the increased server costs as an investment to boost their IPO valuation.
Aren’t there third parties that track website visits?
I was curious but couldn’t find any stats for Reddit over the past couple weeks. Google trends was slightly up… but that isn’t really users. (My search also made Google trends go up by 1)
by adding to it you’ve created some tiny bit of content
It’s sort of hard to visualize the split between collective and individual. If a prolific user decides to stop using reddit, reddit maybe becomes 0.001% worse. It doesn’t sound like a lot on its own, but when millions do it… it becomes significant.
A little becomes a lot. If a significant chunk of reddit just decided to stop using the site, reddit would lose a lot of money.
Remember when reddit traffic was down like 3% a couple weeks ago? Let’s say traffic to reddit and the money reddit gets from advertisers are strongly correlated. So if traffic drops 50%, they get 50% less money from ads.
It’s probably not exactly the same, especially during a short time span like a week, but just for the sake of discussion.
With an annual revenue of $350 million in 2021, they avered $29 million a month and $7 million a week. What’s 3% of $7 million? About $210k
$210k is not much for a company like reddit, but it’s a significant amount of money. Now imagine we increase the traffic drop by a factor of 3 and increase the length of time down up to a month. We’re talking $1.6 million.
That hurts. And it could start a downwards spiral. Prolific users leave and there’s less content so there’s less reason for users to come back. Which causes less content and so on
Unfortunately, I think the majority of redditors have probably moved on from the whole API affair. We still see “fuck spez” like for example in the /r/place but unless reddit creates another scandal in the near future they should be able to recover from this.
We simply don’t have the numbers to hurt reddit so I say go ahead and use /r/place without guilt if you want to
If you are using an account in their service, they still have at least some data about you, which they can sell to third-parties under some conditions (unless they changed that part of their privacy policy). It’s probably not a lot, but it adds up I guess.
Apparently it’s app only, which can’t easily be adblocked
you can use it in a browser on desktops
Revanced has a patch for the official app.
I’m pretty sure there’s revanced patches for that?
The people you want to get off reddit are (shock) on reddit. While it makes reddit money in the short term, it spreads the word to people that aren’t aware. Short term gain for hopefully long term loss.
This is also why I don’t mind the John Oliver stuff. It’s interesting for now, but it will get boring. I just hope it doesn’t get stupid like what happened on r/aww
I’m a bit out of the loop, what happened on r/aww?
They decided to go John Oliver only too, except people are now posting normal content and just putting a small John Oliver somewhere in the original picture.
Does some individuals love circlejerking so much they’d GIVE AWAY money for it? Why yes they would.
“It’s not about the money. It’s about sending a message.”
Sending a message costs money.
Don’t participate. It’s a literal trap. Fuck spez by using Lemmy, friends.
I love seeing this, but they hold all the cards… They will censor all of this.
It’s why I signed up. I’ve been looking for an alternative. This is great so far.
We did on r/lemmy. It was removed
Wait what? I saw a lemmy banner earlier today, did the admins censor it?
Yes
or make a ‘join lemmy’ sign?
I won’t lie to you Lemmings. Everyone who has stood their ground, everyone who has fought an admin has been banned.
What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge mods?
Mods? Where we’re going we don’t need mods.
you cant fire me i quit
Are you saying that one day I can evade getting banned?
No, I’m saying one day you won’t have to.
Outstanding reference well played
Thankfully they are making it super easy for me to resist placing pixels this year. Doesn’t work on old.reddit, only works on new reddit or their official mobile app. No way in hell I’m downloading that piece of crap app and I don’t feel like swapping back and forth between old and new site designs.
I mean you could (though it’s not recommended, because fuck reddit) just type “https://new.reddit.com/(whatever)” in order to load new reddit for just that one tab. But don’t do that and don’t participate in r/place, because fuck reddit.
It doesn’t seem to work without proprietary javascript
I have been fucking spez for a week now
Get yourself checked for STDs.
I still am on reddit in order to keep posting “fuck spez” and to help people to switch
I turned it into my Lock Screen.
Unfathomably based
Looks pretty good actually
Merci!
It’s also being griefed using obvious bots. Every 30 seconds or so the entire blade gets blocked out by a perfect checkerboard pattern done all at once. Or a perfect square will get whited out. Either spez is directing it or some reddit fanboy is defending his honor with a bot army
That’s the moderators of place doing that.
I consider r/place mods and spez to be the same group. I really just mean that it could be either an official action by reddit-affiliated person or could be bots run by someone who just dickrides spez, just trying to disclaim that obvious manipulation doesn’t necessarily mean it’s reddit’s doing.
For every person who rides spez’s dick there’s a hundred that hate him. There would be more bots drawing things.
Can bots even function on place now?
Web scraping bots can
God bless them
The placed pixels don’t have a username associated with them. The bot drawings are done with obviously fake accounts, but each pixel still has an account.
I’m willing to bet the moderators of r/place aren’t doing it/are glad it’s taking this direction and/or the former mods of r/place were removed by cum-guzzling bootlicking admins who are now forcefully whitewashing reddit users’ contributions.
and the admins nuked it.
I’m never going back to that place
same
Of course they did. It was a death threats against an individual. The protestors needs to drop spez as a scapegoat and pick a target that is smarter.
I don’t think that’s a death threat at all. Guillotines are a metaphor for the working class forcibly taking power away from the ruling elite.
It is a guillotine with a reddit head in it and the name spez written on it. Just depicting a guillotine is not a death threats but depicting a person in it that exist in the real world is absolutely a death threats against that person. If that is not a death threat there is no such thing as a death threats on the internet and moderation is dead.
A death threat is something like saying “I’m gonna murder spez”. It expresses an intention. An illustration suggesting that someone could be killed does not express any intention to actually kill someone. Furthermore the image could be interpreted in other ways, like saying the user account “spez” should be eliminated, or that that spez is the kind of person who would have been killed had he been around in the French revolutionary period. No reasonable person could believe the people posting those pixels are actually making plans to cut off Steve Huffman’s head with a guillotine.
I’m much more concerned about rhetoric that, for example, equates LGBT+ people with groomers, because that shit demonstrably does get people killed, and I’ve been told numerous times that rhetoric like that doesn’t violate any rules. If moderation is dead, that’s what killed it.
No reasonable person could believe the people posting those pixels are actually making plans to cut off Steve Huffman’s head with a guillotine.
I agree, but the world is provably full of many unreasonable people.
Well, fuck em, and fuck spez. People can be unreasonable as they see fit, but I still maintain: Off with his 'ead! Metaphorically, of course
That’s the idea behind stochastic terrorism.
An illustration suggesting that someone could be killed does not express any intention to actually kill someone.
Wow. Brain just turns to literal soup as soon as the hate is directed towards someone you don’t like.
So insightful. So persuasive.
So many folks taking that too literally as if it means something IRL. It doesn’t, it means people want Reddit to cut Spez out as CEO. If they meant physical harm to the man, they might have said his real name.
If this was done against you or someone you liked, you would not make those arguments. If they replaced spez with a rainbow flag you would immediately identify it as a hate crime and a call to violence, because it fucking is. You can argue that spez isnt harmed by these kinds death threats and should just allow them on r/place but at least be honest with your fucking opinions.
It’s pixels on a screen. It’s a username on a mascot, not a photo with a real human name.
Can you tell the difference between a social media identity vs. an actual human?
Yes we all know who it actually refers to in real life, but the fact that it represents cutting the head off of Snoo is a metaphor meaning people would like to cut Steve out of being Reddit CEO.
Like I said to start with though, in the long run it’s just pixels on a screen. Don’t let it get you upset.
Words are just letters arranged in order but if I start writing racial slurs or telling people to kill themselves then I would get banned from pretty much any functional social platform.
given the many recent decisions by reddit, if there is people smarter than spez they are not vocal to it on the outside.
But i seriously doubt that spez is listening, when people tell him what a bad idea is.
Smarter target as in the protestors needs to be smarter when picking a symbol. Any action that targets spez as an individual will get removed as personal harassment.
Would have been better without the spez name plate.
I mean, fuck that place, but this particular instance of censorship seems acceptable and even good. Some schizo dude on the interweebs could think this is God speaking to him or something. Don’t promote violence online.
Idk. It’s symbolic. It’s art.
We can’t just live our lives in fear of what some crazy person is going to do because of it.
This is what r/place was designed for: to capture the entirety of Reddit in one snapshot. And this is perfect defiance of what reddit is doing.
Taking it down is why I won’t go back to reddit ever.
No. Stop. Don’t.
I hear you, but all these rich rat bastards need to be reminded that they only have what they have because the masses allow it. I hope I don’t see it in my lifetime, but we are rapidly approaching a point where heads are going to roll.
I do believe heads need to roll at this point, but not specifically Spez. Like what he’s doing is minimal and not deserving of death or incitement of violence against him.
The same people who drew that probably use Reddit every day. If you really want to make a point don’t do shit like that, just stop using Reddit.
Look at the masses of Germans coordinated to say “fuck Spez”… What percentage of them do you think still use Reddit?
Well, they are all interacting with Reddit. I guess it depends on whether the message outweighs the increased engagement. I don’t really care about Spez as all this is a symptom of a much bigger problem.
I’m a german and made an account with a throaway email so i could help the german artworks because i really like the community around the german r/place engagement. I’m not planning on using that account after place is done so I also used a randomly generated password which i didn’t save. I just want the fun and community of last years e/place again.
I actually went back to Reddit. Even as a left-wing follower, I couldn’t take the heavy bias of the community. The echo chamber is just too loud. They are convinced communism is flawless, and whenever it becomes flawed, it is the right’s fault. I can’t deal with absolutes, I’d rather be dead than radicalized by an ideology.
For some reason Lemmy won’t let me remove my account so I just login once a day to see if it is already gone.
This is stupid. Crazies will be crazy. They’ll take inspiration from anywhere. Kill john lennon.
In the only two examples I’m somewhat familiar with (John Lennon and Ronald Reagan), when someone’s mental illness led them to attack a public figure, the trigger wasn’t anything nearly as obvious as an incitement to violence, or even criticism of the public figure. Unpredictable people are unpredictable; trying to foresee what might set them off is pointless.
Do you think Marie antoinette shouldnt have been killed?
The circumstances leading to her death were rather complicated. She’s not a good example to use for either side of the argument.
Not a fair comparison whatsoever
Do you think Spez should be decapitated? You see guys, this is why I say “do not promote violence” on the internet. There’s always that insane guy.
No i dont think he should be decapitated literally but maybe in the sense he would not be involved in Reddit anymore
I don’t understand why they’d do another round of place at a time like this. Like wtf did they think would happen?
If you read the r/place guidelines you must use the mobile app to participate. Hence everyone who is jumping in, even to mock spez, are stupidly doing exactly what reddit wants. Adopt their app. This is purely to get people to join their shit app
It works fine in a desktop web browser. No app required.
Hm I just read this post and figured they’d be telling the truth.
r/place is only available on our mobile apps (iOS and Android) and new Reddit. The new r/place features we are introducing this year are only on our mobile apps and moderators can opt out of these if they want to.
Seems I missed the new reddit part but it’s just as bad as the app.
You can use new.Reddit.com.
Lol no fuckin way
Probably to drive user interaction back up.
Precisely.
They don’t care what the users make. They care that user interaction numbers are back up.
Spez is the scapegoat. The ownership of Reddit knows what they’re doing and spez is simply the idiot willing to (poorly) do what he’s told.
Is he really an idiot? He’s making plenty of money, and demonstrating that even the people who hate his company the most cannot stop putting money in it’s pockets.
Reddit would NEVER scapegoat their company president! The very idea!
It’s a tiny fraction, damn near a rounding error, of people involved compared to Reddit user base though.
They do everything to up the engagement by any means necessary, so they can say that there were no big impact on traffic after blackouts. And it works. It doesn’t matter that people go there out of hatred, they still end up as traffic
Redditors on their way to do everything except stop using reddit.
I still remember how much fun the 2022 r/Place was. Now it feels kinda sad to watch the current one
Especially since it happened right after they killed apps from the third party
They did this to try and make people happy
They did this to pump engagement numbers so they can try to resurrect their IPO. They couldn’t care less if people are happy.
we asked for bread and they gave us this circus
Lurker on Reddit, first comment on Lemmy. Let us hope this will become the better alternative 🙏
Just leave, ffs. It’s annoying that in the end of the day people still remain in droves. The only hope is that reddit drives itself into being unusable.
I feel like saying “Just leave” to the protesters is akin to telling people protesting Trump as president: “Just leave for Canada. You working and living in USA is just making more tax money for Trump.”
Leaving Reddit or leaving a country or not comparable
For some poor addicted sods, leaving the app might be harder.
We’re never going to reach the addicted, but there are likely plenty of people who would jump ship if they just knew a little more about lemmy.
I’ve made the switch to Lemmy and it wasn’t easy. Now that I understand the way the federated thing works I get it but, honestly I was confused.
The only thing that I miss is search. I don’t know if it’s my app or what but there’s no way, I can find, to search through posts on Lemmy.
That will get fixed soon, I’m sure. This thing is new.
If that’s your criteria for staying, I don’t think search was ever fixed in Reddit, though! 😂 Measure with the same ruler!
No, my criteria for staying is that it works on an app that isn’t Reddit
Scale is irrelivant, he is compairing the (social) dynamics at play
This is more like protesting Walmart while shopping there daily. Reddit directly benefits from the continued traffic.
i dont know how eager the advertisers are about advertising next to a canvas where the nicest message is fuck the CEO of that place. Twitter is struggling to get advertisers on board with how much of a fuckup Musk is as a CEO. Spez says that Musk is his idol and advertisers dont want a right wing cesspool filled with threats of violence and hatred to have their products right next to. And that is easier to enforce with a relatively small side like reddit, as opposed to facebook or instagram.
I think there is a difference between uprooting your entire life to move to a foreign country, and deleting an app
Nobody is deinying that, and I assume he was being extreme for the point,
but social capital is werry mutch a thing
The only hope for what? Is the end goal that Reddit dies or that lemmy gains in popularity?
Sort of, really people want to have a non hostile relationship with websites, reddit is a comical example of corprate instincts being misaligned with that desire
Spez will be seen as the animal that learned bad behavors and went savage
It’s because they don’t know any better. The average redditor isn’t exactly super smart, and half of them are even stupider than that!
Reddit is using it as a honeypot to attract the upset users, so that they can swing the banhammer.
Oh no, if they ban me I’d lose all my precious reddit coins
I don’t know if you saw, but they’re removing this functionality anyway. So all your coins will be absorbed or deleted or whatever after September 31st iirc
I did see that, was trying to make a bad joke :-)
I was honestly wondering what I should do with what I had leftover, I’m glad they gave me a reason to not care
I’ve been giving out gold to “fuck spez” posts but I’ve still got like 10,000 left. (accumulated from various free giveaways over the years, e.g. after they bought AlienBlue)
I’d love to trade you gold for gold (or slightly more efficiently, plat for plat).
Wanna trade?
I already found some fuck spez people to give mine to 😂
Just waiting for my ban for placing a pixel there, tbh.
Can’t engage with the site if they block me from engaging with it.
Still engagement.
