Any government that deals with a population it considers undesirable by withholding food, medicine, and potable water is a government committing genocide.
Disagreement just shows that ‘Never Again’ didn’t mean anything to you.
Fine, Tell me what genocide looks like. Tell me the methods that are different.
Tell me what conditions justify a government withholding food, medicine and portable water to a population it considers undesirable.
Tell me.
Justify your morally condescending “Oh dear”. Make it actually look like a reasonable response to the very simple definition of genocide that is occurring right now, being imposed by Israel on a population that official members of the Israeli government have expressed as undesirable, whom are living on a strip of land that already has Israeli developers planning beach front property for.
Make it look like something different than genocide justifying nationalism.
Genocide looks like a rapidly decreasing population, not a growing one.
Supplies are still going into Gaza, yes fewer because Hamas is hoarding all of it and withholding it from its civilians. There are even videos of them opening fire on Palestinians that try to get to any of the supply trucks. There are also videos of Palestinians openly accusing Hamas of withholding all aid. I just wish Egypt would open up its border with Gaza to allow Palestinians refuge there but they never will again because of the Islam extremism they had to deal with when they did that.
I haven’t heard that one yet - Israeli developers planning beach front property on Gaza.
Nationalism? Israel is comprised of foreigners from all over the world, it’s like a mini US. Not all Israelis are white, not all Israelis are Jews, not all civilians are Israeli. We even took in 15,000 Ukrainian refugees.
The “oh dear” was for attacking me directly with the “fuck off” and “genocide apologist”.
Nope, first sentence is such a blatant fucking copout. No one outside of Israel restricts genocide to a “decreasing population”. It’s the intent to destroy and steal land that matters
Zero acknowledgement of Israel’s decade long blockade of Gaza, it’s always someone else’s fault
There’s no blockade, any Gazan can leave whenever. Most of them come in to Israel for work. Or at least used to. Not sure how things will be after this shit show.
The intent to destroy a nation and steal a land is Hamas’s goal, readily visible even on Wikipedia.
Holy shit, you’re actually delusional with this comment.
Or, more likely, being way over paid for the shittiest propaganda I’ve ever seen.
No one believes your lies about this.
No one.
Not even the people sympathetic to Israel will buy this ‘there’s no blockade, they can leave whenever they want’ intestinal gas belching from some orifice that would actually be used for conveying information in a person not paid to lie.
That’s because that is what you are, a fucking sick fuck genocidal, child murder justifying monster.
Why would Egypt open up their borders? Why would the Palestinians need refuge? Is some natural disaster happening to starve them to death? Some act of God? Are they just dying for some unknown reason?
You do know that Israel has effective control of the Raffa crossing, right? You know, the place all the blood thirsty fucks are holding a rave to block the aid trucks from going through while the Palestinians literally eat grass. The ones that haven’t starved to death, that is, because we’ve seen the first deaths from starvation hit this week.
Congrats, everyone in the world is going to start treating you like your dearly departed best friends, apartheid South Africa. Remember when everyone else was boycotting them but Israel? When Israel was still selling them weapons to use against their oppressed African population? I wonder how long it will be before we get music videos like this about Israel:
You should have heard about the property developers. Haaretz broke the story.
The Gaza strip needed 2000 trucks a day to survive since Israel has implemented a complete blockade of the Gaza strip for 17 years. An aid truck or two doesn’t need to hoarded by Hamas to do anything. What’s the math on how many of the 2 million Hazan’s that can be fed from a truck or two? How big do you envision these trucks are?
But, I wouldn’t expect rational thought from a syphilitic fuck that espouses the same argument that Neo-Nazis use to justify their Holocaust denial. That whole ‘population increased’ pus oozing from your pustulant lips? Yeah, that’s from Holocaust deniers. Do you think the population has increased in Gaza since Israel cut off the food and water and started indiscriminately bombing civilian infrastructure and tent camps in Gaza? Do you actually believe that? If so, I’ve got some land to sell you, and I totally own it legally, totally. You might want to send some ‘settlers’ there with some military backup to murder the people currently living there first, though.
Every time I have a conversation with a pro-Palestinian or especially pro-Hamas person, they always end up losing their cool and attacking me. Just like in most pro-Palestine protests, people get violent and attack random Jews on the street or a Starbucks for some reason (there isn’t even Starbucks in Israel). The pro-Israel marches I’ve seen are just people singing the anthem or something. It’s pretty reflective of the entire situation, Israelis aren’t very interested in war, there’s nothing in the Gaza Strip that we need, no resources, no landmarks of interest, just more desert like the rest of our country. But Arabs and Muslims from all around our tiny strip of land simply hate us on a religious basis and want to see us gone. And we’ve no place to go. We won’t just lie down and die. Sorry.
Finally, I will say something that should terrify you.
Israel has zero strategic depth. Anyone invades, and it is very quickly over. Again, nothing to do with religion or ethnicity, just geography. Israel is just too small to have strategic depth.
One major shield that Israel had (other than the nukes) was a myth of martial superiority and invincibility. However, for obvious reasons, Israels main strength lies in its armor, and its air force.
But technology always is changing how useful certain weapons are. And technology for the weapons that destroy armor and air superiority has gotten insanely cheap. Raspberry Pi’s should rightly be terrifying to any nation that relies on armor and planes. Avionics has always been the difficult part for air defense.
Armor is a little bit different. The design of the weapons that can penetrate armor, and defeat things like reactive armor, or the imbecilic trophy system Israel uses (seriously, I still shake my head at Israel entering dense urban areas with tanks that use an interception system that literally makes screening infantry impossible. Like, what the actual fuck?!) is the expensive part. Once the design is completed for things like two stage rockets, or shaped charges, or explosively formed projectiles, then the actual production is cheap to produce. But designs are easy to transmit, and can be done anywhere by anyone.
The tech has gotten so cheap that even second rate military powers can buy or create weapons that can counter first rate military powers advantages for literally a millionth of the price.
And Israels siege and assault on the Gaza Strip has shown how fucking incompetent and undisciplined Israels infantry is. The majority of the casualties of Gazan civilians are from bombs, artillery, and soon now, starvation. Not the infantry. Their performance has been … pathetic. Only good for slaughtering the unarmed.
The myth of Israeli martial prowess has been broken, probably forever.
A smarter nation would start trying its damned best at making peace with its neighbors through mutual respect now, and not intimidation like it has.
Call it self defense, because it would be.
P.S. all of what I said above applies to the US, too. The next hundred years or so is going to be a bad time to be an empire. Well, it all applies except for the trophy system. That is a unique form of Israeli stupidity. But the US has it’s own unique stupidity in the F35, and the littoral ships it designed.
No one is asking you to lay down and die. Good job trying to invoke victim status to again justify genocide.
Also, good job trying to antisemitically equate Judaism with the genocidal actions of the Israeli government. JVP does NOT want to hold your blood stained hands.
Here, try something out, if you actually want to understand, which I don’t think you do, but on the off chance.
Imagine you see a nation trying to commit genocide against its minority population of Jewish people that it has kept mostly locked up in a bantustan for the last 17 years. Imagine a citizen of that country who, presumably, isn’t actively participating in the slaughter of Jewish people starts trying to garner sympathy for the slaughter, and justify why the slaughter is okay.
Imagine how you’d want to react to that person.
I’m not Arab, just someone who firmly believes in Never Again. I will treat any worthless genocide justifying fuck the same way, as I’m treating you. I have the same disgust and disdain for the Azerbaijani justifying the ethnic cleansing of the Nagorno-Karbagh region. The same Azeris who got a fuck ton of weapons from Israel, by the by. Funny how Israel sides with and provides weapons to the wrong side in history.
I would hope that you would treat people you legitimately believe are committing genocide the same way, but from your words it is obvious that ‘Never Again’ meant nothing to you, so I suspect you wouldn’t.
Also, good job trying to imply protestors against genocide are antisemitic. I don’t give a fuck about your religion, or your ethnicity. I care about your disgusting actions and words.
If Israel hadn’t been indirectly creating the conditions for Hamas to form and become popular (at least at the time of the last election) then I would agree. Resistance groups don’t form based on a whim or pure evil. There’s usually a rationale and it’s blazingly obvious in this case
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I’ll be cheeky and change the meaning of your comment: Yeah, those Hamas Nazis should fuck off of Israel and the world should stop helping them.
Any government that deals with a population it considers undesirable by withholding food, medicine, and potable water is a government committing genocide.
Disagreement just shows that ‘Never Again’ didn’t mean anything to you.
Fuck off, genocide apologist.
Oh dear
Fine, Tell me what genocide looks like. Tell me the methods that are different.
Tell me what conditions justify a government withholding food, medicine and portable water to a population it considers undesirable.
Tell me.
Justify your morally condescending “Oh dear”. Make it actually look like a reasonable response to the very simple definition of genocide that is occurring right now, being imposed by Israel on a population that official members of the Israeli government have expressed as undesirable, whom are living on a strip of land that already has Israeli developers planning beach front property for.
Make it look like something different than genocide justifying nationalism.
Genocide looks like a rapidly decreasing population, not a growing one. Supplies are still going into Gaza, yes fewer because Hamas is hoarding all of it and withholding it from its civilians. There are even videos of them opening fire on Palestinians that try to get to any of the supply trucks. There are also videos of Palestinians openly accusing Hamas of withholding all aid. I just wish Egypt would open up its border with Gaza to allow Palestinians refuge there but they never will again because of the Islam extremism they had to deal with when they did that. I haven’t heard that one yet - Israeli developers planning beach front property on Gaza. Nationalism? Israel is comprised of foreigners from all over the world, it’s like a mini US. Not all Israelis are white, not all Israelis are Jews, not all civilians are Israeli. We even took in 15,000 Ukrainian refugees. The “oh dear” was for attacking me directly with the “fuck off” and “genocide apologist”.
Nope, first sentence is such a blatant fucking copout. No one outside of Israel restricts genocide to a “decreasing population”. It’s the intent to destroy and steal land that matters
Zero acknowledgement of Israel’s decade long blockade of Gaza, it’s always someone else’s fault
There’s no blockade, any Gazan can leave whenever. Most of them come in to Israel for work. Or at least used to. Not sure how things will be after this shit show. The intent to destroy a nation and steal a land is Hamas’s goal, readily visible even on Wikipedia.
Holy shit, you’re actually delusional with this comment.
Or, more likely, being way over paid for the shittiest propaganda I’ve ever seen.
No one believes your lies about this.
No one.
Not even the people sympathetic to Israel will buy this ‘there’s no blockade, they can leave whenever they want’ intestinal gas belching from some orifice that would actually be used for conveying information in a person not paid to lie.
That’s because that is what you are, a fucking sick fuck genocidal, child murder justifying monster.
Why would Egypt open up their borders? Why would the Palestinians need refuge? Is some natural disaster happening to starve them to death? Some act of God? Are they just dying for some unknown reason?
You do know that Israel has effective control of the Raffa crossing, right? You know, the place all the blood thirsty fucks are holding a rave to block the aid trucks from going through while the Palestinians literally eat grass. The ones that haven’t starved to death, that is, because we’ve seen the first deaths from starvation hit this week.
Congrats, everyone in the world is going to start treating you like your dearly departed best friends, apartheid South Africa. Remember when everyone else was boycotting them but Israel? When Israel was still selling them weapons to use against their oppressed African population? I wonder how long it will be before we get music videos like this about Israel:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dmoT9AfoI
You should have heard about the property developers. Haaretz broke the story.
The Gaza strip needed 2000 trucks a day to survive since Israel has implemented a complete blockade of the Gaza strip for 17 years. An aid truck or two doesn’t need to hoarded by Hamas to do anything. What’s the math on how many of the 2 million Hazan’s that can be fed from a truck or two? How big do you envision these trucks are?
But, I wouldn’t expect rational thought from a syphilitic fuck that espouses the same argument that Neo-Nazis use to justify their Holocaust denial. That whole ‘population increased’ pus oozing from your pustulant lips? Yeah, that’s from Holocaust deniers. Do you think the population has increased in Gaza since Israel cut off the food and water and started indiscriminately bombing civilian infrastructure and tent camps in Gaza? Do you actually believe that? If so, I’ve got some land to sell you, and I totally own it legally, totally. You might want to send some ‘settlers’ there with some military backup to murder the people currently living there first, though.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
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Every time I have a conversation with a pro-Palestinian or especially pro-Hamas person, they always end up losing their cool and attacking me. Just like in most pro-Palestine protests, people get violent and attack random Jews on the street or a Starbucks for some reason (there isn’t even Starbucks in Israel). The pro-Israel marches I’ve seen are just people singing the anthem or something. It’s pretty reflective of the entire situation, Israelis aren’t very interested in war, there’s nothing in the Gaza Strip that we need, no resources, no landmarks of interest, just more desert like the rest of our country. But Arabs and Muslims from all around our tiny strip of land simply hate us on a religious basis and want to see us gone. And we’ve no place to go. We won’t just lie down and die. Sorry.
Finally, I will say something that should terrify you.
Israel has zero strategic depth. Anyone invades, and it is very quickly over. Again, nothing to do with religion or ethnicity, just geography. Israel is just too small to have strategic depth.
One major shield that Israel had (other than the nukes) was a myth of martial superiority and invincibility. However, for obvious reasons, Israels main strength lies in its armor, and its air force.
But technology always is changing how useful certain weapons are. And technology for the weapons that destroy armor and air superiority has gotten insanely cheap. Raspberry Pi’s should rightly be terrifying to any nation that relies on armor and planes. Avionics has always been the difficult part for air defense.
Armor is a little bit different. The design of the weapons that can penetrate armor, and defeat things like reactive armor, or the imbecilic trophy system Israel uses (seriously, I still shake my head at Israel entering dense urban areas with tanks that use an interception system that literally makes screening infantry impossible. Like, what the actual fuck?!) is the expensive part. Once the design is completed for things like two stage rockets, or shaped charges, or explosively formed projectiles, then the actual production is cheap to produce. But designs are easy to transmit, and can be done anywhere by anyone.
The tech has gotten so cheap that even second rate military powers can buy or create weapons that can counter first rate military powers advantages for literally a millionth of the price.
And Israels siege and assault on the Gaza Strip has shown how fucking incompetent and undisciplined Israels infantry is. The majority of the casualties of Gazan civilians are from bombs, artillery, and soon now, starvation. Not the infantry. Their performance has been … pathetic. Only good for slaughtering the unarmed.
The myth of Israeli martial prowess has been broken, probably forever.
A smarter nation would start trying its damned best at making peace with its neighbors through mutual respect now, and not intimidation like it has.
Call it self defense, because it would be.
P.S. all of what I said above applies to the US, too. The next hundred years or so is going to be a bad time to be an empire. Well, it all applies except for the trophy system. That is a unique form of Israeli stupidity. But the US has it’s own unique stupidity in the F35, and the littoral ships it designed.
No one is asking you to lay down and die. Good job trying to invoke victim status to again justify genocide.
Also, good job trying to antisemitically equate Judaism with the genocidal actions of the Israeli government. JVP does NOT want to hold your blood stained hands.
Here, try something out, if you actually want to understand, which I don’t think you do, but on the off chance.
Imagine you see a nation trying to commit genocide against its minority population of Jewish people that it has kept mostly locked up in a bantustan for the last 17 years. Imagine a citizen of that country who, presumably, isn’t actively participating in the slaughter of Jewish people starts trying to garner sympathy for the slaughter, and justify why the slaughter is okay.
Imagine how you’d want to react to that person.
I’m not Arab, just someone who firmly believes in Never Again. I will treat any worthless genocide justifying fuck the same way, as I’m treating you. I have the same disgust and disdain for the Azerbaijani justifying the ethnic cleansing of the Nagorno-Karbagh region. The same Azeris who got a fuck ton of weapons from Israel, by the by. Funny how Israel sides with and provides weapons to the wrong side in history.
I would hope that you would treat people you legitimately believe are committing genocide the same way, but from your words it is obvious that ‘Never Again’ meant nothing to you, so I suspect you wouldn’t.
Also, good job trying to imply protestors against genocide are antisemitic. I don’t give a fuck about your religion, or your ethnicity. I care about your disgusting actions and words.
If Israel hadn’t been indirectly creating the conditions for Hamas to form and become popular (at least at the time of the last election) then I would agree. Resistance groups don’t form based on a whim or pure evil. There’s usually a rationale and it’s blazingly obvious in this case