• Revan343@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    Look if Justin Trudou said he wanted Biden to win, would you say he was pushing for trump?

    You keep saying that, as if they’re at all comparable

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        9 months ago

        They are both carbon-based life forms. Which means that at a psychological level they’re probably identical. And there’s probably no difference whatsoever between the respective nations cultures, economic or political conditions, or their respective geopolitical interests.

        If they’re living breathing creatures, and they both rely on carbon to form complex molecules that make up their bodies, it naturally follows that their countries have identical geopolitical alliances.

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          9 months ago

          This is overly reductive. My argument is that, while their geoplilitical intrests are difrent, the idea of jumping to Putin said he likes Biden so he must like Trump, over Putin said he likes Biden, so what about the situation would make him prefer Biden, or at least have the Biden administration think he likes them more.

          This feels like we are jumping the layers of political insight and reasoning to a predetermined outcome that we prefer more. My point is that if another difrent foring leader where to speak on this, we would be giving them the benifit of the doubt and depending on our thoughts on the leader of the nation or the nation deciding if its just an endorsement or what the true motivations are, however because the Russian Federation is one of the boogiemen, we just assume everything said is a lie, I feel like this is disingenuous, and I feel it steps some hard, but interesting questions. We do not have to think he is being completly honest with us, because he likely is not, however thinking he is saying the exact oposit of what he means is utterly laughable at its face.

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        9 months ago

        Well one’s a democratically elected and broadly reasonable ally, and the other’s a dictator-for-life who’s practically had The Idiot kiss his feet on television. I will not spend one instant humoring any dingus who goes ‘hurr hurr which is which.’

        If you can’t figure out whether anyone can trust Vladimir god damn Putin, you have my sincere pity.

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          9 months ago

          I am not saying if you can trust him, he has motives, I am saying it is redicuolously fool hearty to assume that because he said something that instantly means he wants the oposit. Do I think he has an agenda yes, do I think that his agenda and the agenda of the United States are aligned no, but that does not mean he is going to go “You know what I will wake up to day and play reverse phycology because everyone in America is a moron” The thing we do here is he said X, what would be the reasons for his statement of X. It is unlikely his lie would be that he wants Biden when he wants trump, I could see the lie being he does not care but he thinks by saying he wants Biden it will cause an ease in relations but that is unlikely. What I think is more likely is that, and I know I will be called a “Russian Bot” or a “Republican” for this dispite the fact I am nither, is that while Domesticly the better choice we have is Biden, it is in Russia’s better intersest that Biden is elected aswell, the USA is more stable under biden, and I could easily see him lieing about the mental stability of Biden, as this is a comon refrain from people in washington, but we never see it when he is talking to the public nor is it reflected in the Special Investigators Report. So taking the person who is mentaly deteriorating, and is less likely to spill everything and say the first thing that comes to their mind, therefor pulling the nation back and forth at their every wim, would be a perk for russia, who is just now starting to emerge again as a high regional power maybe entering into great power, and it would be far more dangerous for them to have a loose cannon of a USA.