• Groovy Lizard@lemmy.eco.br
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    9 months ago

    Do you have any idea what rights are we talking about? This is the right for dignity, eatable food, meds, beds, etc.

    The goal should be reducing criminality, right? So criminals should have the chance to reeducation and to go back to society. This can only be assured by law, with RIGHTS.

    Those who disagree are the capitalist pigs who profit for incarcerating the poor, without any obligation for decent food, medications and lodging.

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      9 months ago

      So I don’t think those are the rights OP is referencing exactly. Criminals should absolutely have the right to the things you mentioned, but I think OP was referencing more the right to vote, hold office, etc. In some states (and countries throughout history) those with felony equivalent convictions lose access to civic related rights. This severely limits their ability to participate in and therefore influence political and civic discourse and direction.

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      9 months ago

      Do you have any idea what rights are we talking about?

      I’m sure there’s more than a few people in here talking about gun ownership.

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      9 months ago

      Yeah I agree, but don’t you think its limiting someone’s rights to imprison them in the first place? That’s my entire point. Every method of reducing criminality other than simply ignoring it requires you to limit the rights of criminals.

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        9 months ago

        Imprisonments takes freedom away from you. That is the price you pay.

        Still, it doesn’t make you less human. It shouldn’t.

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          9 months ago

          Humans are bipedal creatures that can walk places. Putting a human in a prison cell takes some of their humanity away.

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        9 months ago

        Imprisonment is not a right, its a control system of the state. They should be the only party allowed to incarcerate, but when they sell it to private corps they can profit from it and it becomes a business, and this is the reason of all our discussion here.

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          9 months ago

          No that has nothing to do with our discussion. Imprisoning someone inherently limits their rights. I didn’t say imprisonment was a right, I’m not sure where you got that from. The point is that imprisoning people is necessary, so limiting the rights of criminals is necessary.