• rdri@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    9 months ago

    So what you’re saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi’s that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?

    I can’t say what they should have known, but ot looks like they were really aiming for Israel to go “your rocket strikes always hurt but that massacre hit us especially hard, and you also took civillians as hostages, so yeah, we have no choice but to stop oppressing you. Sorry for everything and you can keep the hostages”, which couldn’t be fruitful no matter how you look at it.

    Did you see videos recorded by Palestinians themselves on that day though?

    • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      9 months ago

      Random gore videos from syria and other places and some rape videos from different time and regions. I was scared as a muslim but my friends said be brave, idf is good at spreading false information and it really did happen.

        • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          Many of the videos are real. Hamas definitely shot some civilians. The problem is all the burnt bodies.

          If you ask the question “How did Israel count 250 burnt Hamas fighters as Israeli civilians” the narrative falls apart.

          • rdri@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            9 months ago

            I don’t think such a question is what a theoretical judgment should end with.

            I’d like to ask a question “is there an explanation of logic behind the attack on October 7?”.

            The only explanation I can come up with is that hamas wanted a lot of Palestinians to get killed. This fits more points in a “hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians” narrative, than any other explanation would fit the “Israel doesn’t care about Israeli” narrative.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      I saw all the videos of Oct7.

      They took hostages because israel has illegally kidnapped many Palestinians and tortures them in prison without trial before oct7. And Hamas wants to trade their hostages for the Palestinians hostages kidnapped by israel.

      Did you see this video one though

          • rdri@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            So is it okay to propose that hamas could have a success if they captured the same amount?

            • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              9 months ago

              No israel would still kill all the hostages held by Hamas. Their government doesn’t care about hostages.

                  • rdri@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    9 months ago

                    Hamas knows that the israeli government will try their best to kill all israeli hostages

                    That is unlikely as there is no record of that directive being (allegedly) invoked after 2016 towards civillians.

                    But they hoped the israeli populace would pressure their government harder

                    Pressure their government harder to do what exactly?