Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) panned Democrats who are upping their criticisms of President Biden ahead of the November election, saying they might as well don a “MAGA hat.” Fetterman not…
self criticism is the only thing keeping democrats from becoming a clone of the GOP
Sometimes I wonder if people on this platform were born yesterday.
What in flying fuck are you smoking. What policies or legislation overlaps between these two? One is ending school lunches for starving children and the other is trying to push progressive policies. Why, oh why, do you guys keep repeating this insane, asinine, talking point like it’s gospel. Please, for all the love that is holy, tell us where the legislature of the Democrats mirrors the GOP in Any. Fucking. Form.
What in flying fuck are you smoking. What policies or legislation overlaps between these two? One is ending school lunches for starving children and the other is trying to push progressive policies
I didn’t say don’t vote for them… What do you think keeps Democrats sliding further and further right? It’s not the leadership, it’s their constituents screaming at them when they step out of line.
The reason the GOP has become hostage to someone like Trump and the freedom caucus is because people within their own aren’t allowed to criticize them.
What policies or legislation overlaps between these two?
Off the top of my head, the Patriot act, the Iraq war resolution, DMCA, SOPA, KOPA, support for israel’s genocide, Japanese American interment in WW2, and the Gulf of tomkin resolution. Only some of the most dangerous policies in this nations history, no big whoop.
I like that we have to go back in time long before the southern strategy as if the Dems are a monolithic body. Just from a cursory first glance on Patriot act:
the Act passed the House by a vote of 357–66, with Democrats comprising the overwhelming majority of “no”-votes.
I won’t argue on SOPA because that is indeed contentious, but going back in time like that is really disingenuous.
No goalposts were moved. You lied. Quick ten second Google search proved you wrong. You equivocated between the two as if they are both lock step voting the same on all legislation. Not only that, but you had to go back to W W 2 , long before the southern strategy was effected to back your claim.
You equivocated between the two as if they are both lock step voting the same on all legislation
I did no such thing. You asked when they ever agree, implying that they never do, and I gave several examples of them agreeing on some pretty bad legislation. Maybe you’re confusing me with someone else. This was our first interaction.
you had to go back to W W 2
No I didn’t. SOPA and the DMCA were a few years ago. Patriot act gets renewed every few years with bipartisan support. KOPA is brand new. You’re latching onto the oldest example I gave because it fits your narrative and ignoring the others. Stop that. It makes you look like a dipshit.
I misspoke. It’s expected that some bills will pass with bilateral support. It would be crazy if that never happened. The issue is the Dems are a big tent with many contrasting perspectives. The Gop is lockstep on almost every bill (except lately they are starting to fracture). What I was aiming to express is that overall, if I was to compare every bill pushed forward by the Democrats compared to their Gop counterparts, it would paint a very clear picture of where they diverge policy wise. That’s all.
The issue is the Dems are a big tent with many contrasting perspectives. The Gop is lockstep on almost every bill (except lately they are starting to fracture).
The reason why the GOP is always lockstep is because they don’t allow self criticism within their party. This makes them legislatively powerful, but it also makes them prone to fascism.
The reason we have to allow self criticism within the democratic party is because it is a big tent party. Without allowing politically disadvantaged groups within the party to point out its internal contradictions, the progressiveness party will stagnate. Instead its leadership will be consolidated with those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Namely the older members whose idea of political progress is stuck the 90’s.
Everything you said is correct. I don’t mind criticism within the Democratic party if its constituents actually showed up to vote (in local or federal elections). The other side shows up regardless who’s on the ballot, as proven by the current frontrunner for the Gop. Meanwhile, Dems have to hold their noses tell each other how they’ll sit this one out because Biden is just not radical enough as the Trump’s cabinet guts the EPA and demolishes every institution and value. In four years Trump’s cabinet stacked almost all the lower circuit courts with republican judges. All these downstream effects from one administration have consequences.
Sometimes I wonder if people on this platform were born yesterday.
What in flying fuck are you smoking. What policies or legislation overlaps between these two? One is ending school lunches for starving children and the other is trying to push progressive policies. Why, oh why, do you guys keep repeating this insane, asinine, talking point like it’s gospel. Please, for all the love that is holy, tell us where the legislature of the Democrats mirrors the GOP in Any. Fucking. Form.
I await with bated breath.
I didn’t say don’t vote for them… What do you think keeps Democrats sliding further and further right? It’s not the leadership, it’s their constituents screaming at them when they step out of line.
The reason the GOP has become hostage to someone like Trump and the freedom caucus is because people within their own aren’t allowed to criticize them.
Off the top of my head, the Patriot act, the Iraq war resolution, DMCA, SOPA, KOPA, support for israel’s genocide, Japanese American interment in WW2, and the Gulf of tomkin resolution. Only some of the most dangerous policies in this nations history, no big whoop.
I like that we have to go back in time long before the southern strategy as if the Dems are a monolithic body. Just from a cursory first glance on Patriot act:
I won’t argue on SOPA because that is indeed contentious, but going back in time like that is really disingenuous.
I answered your question accurately. Instead of moving the goalposts after the fact, maybe you should ask a different question to begin with.
No goalposts were moved. You lied. Quick ten second Google search proved you wrong. You equivocated between the two as if they are both lock step voting the same on all legislation. Not only that, but you had to go back to W W 2 , long before the southern strategy was effected to back your claim.
I did no such thing. You asked when they ever agree, implying that they never do, and I gave several examples of them agreeing on some pretty bad legislation. Maybe you’re confusing me with someone else. This was our first interaction.
No I didn’t. SOPA and the DMCA were a few years ago. Patriot act gets renewed every few years with bipartisan support. KOPA is brand new. You’re latching onto the oldest example I gave because it fits your narrative and ignoring the others. Stop that. It makes you look like a dipshit.
I misspoke. It’s expected that some bills will pass with bilateral support. It would be crazy if that never happened. The issue is the Dems are a big tent with many contrasting perspectives. The Gop is lockstep on almost every bill (except lately they are starting to fracture). What I was aiming to express is that overall, if I was to compare every bill pushed forward by the Democrats compared to their Gop counterparts, it would paint a very clear picture of where they diverge policy wise. That’s all.
The reason why the GOP is always lockstep is because they don’t allow self criticism within their party. This makes them legislatively powerful, but it also makes them prone to fascism.
The reason we have to allow self criticism within the democratic party is because it is a big tent party. Without allowing politically disadvantaged groups within the party to point out its internal contradictions, the progressiveness party will stagnate. Instead its leadership will be consolidated with those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Namely the older members whose idea of political progress is stuck the 90’s.
Everything you said is correct. I don’t mind criticism within the Democratic party if its constituents actually showed up to vote (in local or federal elections). The other side shows up regardless who’s on the ballot, as proven by the current frontrunner for the Gop. Meanwhile, Dems have to hold their noses tell each other how they’ll sit this one out because Biden is just not radical enough as the Trump’s cabinet guts the EPA and demolishes every institution and value. In four years Trump’s cabinet stacked almost all the lower circuit courts with republican judges. All these downstream effects from one administration have consequences.