Amidst California’s ongoing efforts to promote environmentally friendly transportation and the changing landscape of hydrogen fuel infrastructure, Toyota has announced a dramatic rebate of up to $40,000 off MSRP for the 2023 Toyota Mirai.

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    9 months ago

    Again, all of this is pure gibberish. Both fuel cells and batteries are electrochemical systems. Both have the same level of efficiency in the theoretical sense.

    Like I said, you are repeating bullshit from BEV companies like Tesla. All of the anti-hydrogen stuff is just corporate propaganda and has zero basis in fact.

    And what’s ironic is that it is copied from propaganda that originated from the oil industry. BEV companies repeating this stuff just means they are repeating the same anti-green rhetoric used against all green energy. Wind, solar, geothermal, etc., even BEVs themselves, when through the same crap. And you are doing the same just against fuel cells and hydrogen.

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        9 months ago

        And what is a battery, but an electrochemical system that converts chemical energy into electrical energy? A fuel cell works the same way.

        The problem is that you have been fully brainwashed. Everything I said is true, and everything you said is false. You need to step back and realize who is lying to you.

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            Because it’s all electrochemistry? Have you even looked a fuel cell diagram? It is basically anodes and cathodes turning chemical energy into electricity. Just like a battery.

            In fact, it arguably IS a battery. Hence why FCEVs are also EVs.

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                You cannot charge a battery and come out equal either. But losses can be minimized in both cases. Transportation via pipelines is also analogous to transporting electricity via wires. Both have losses, but it can be minimized.

                Like I said, the idea is basically the same as battery swapping, except the battery in question is a chemical fluid that can be move around like it was electricity.

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                    Losses from pipelines aren’t very large either. At long distances, this is actually less than what you will experience from wires.

                    Like I said, the entire process of making and using hydrogen is analogous to battery swapping. You have to think of the battery as being this fluid that can be moved around to where it needs to go, effectively replacing wires. But the end result is basically the same.