• jobby@lemmy.today
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      9 months ago

      LOL. I’m not a Russian bot. I didn’t really see the ‘Ukrainian spy chief’ part.

      • Galli [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        9 months ago

        here I am feeling guilty sometimes making a comment halfway through a 200 comment thread before scrolling on to find someone else already made the same joke while this mf making smug comments when they’ve not even read half the headline.

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          Ah hey. The point is the guy should not have been killed. It’s criminal and a horrific act.

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            He was a hitlerite fascist who called Muslims cockroaches that must be exterminated. He absolutely should have been killed. The fact God caused his blood to clot proves this.

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            9 months ago

            It’s wild how up in arms liberals always get for the human rights of fascists. Eight years of kids in Donbas getting shelled: I sleep. Leader of an ethnonationalist faction gets assassinated: criminal and horrific act.

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            So you didn’t read the first half of the headline, either!

            He wasn’t killed, he died from a blood clot. Even Ukraine isn’t entertaining speculation that Russia killed him.

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          9 months ago

          Sorry?!?! I totally support what the guy stood for. Putin is a shitstain.

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            I totally support what the guy stood for.

            Navalny was a driving force in the annual anti-Muslim, antisemitic, anti-immigrant “Russian March” in Moscow. Its central themes are “Take Back Russia,” “Russia for Russians” and “Stop Feeding the Caucasus” — the latter a demand to end federal subsidies to poorer, less-developed, largely Muslim regions of Russia. He has a video ad calling Central Asian and Muslim peoples of the Caucasus in Russia “cockroaches that must be exterminated” while implying people should go out and shoot them.

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              Interesting. I guess I, and most other people in the West just assumed he was anti-Putin and therefore good.

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                  9 months ago

                  Hey, this user is reevaluating their original assumptions taking into account new information.

                  That is already a far step above the typical westerner response of pluging their ears and going “nuh uh” then accusing you of being a foreign intelligence agent.

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                Huh that’s weird that’s exactly what we’ve been saying the entire time and we’ve been called every fucking name in the book by you smug dipshit liberals.

                Now take this sudden realization that you had no idea about the person until the media told you about him 6 months ago and the media intentionally propped him up as a hero despite all that and apply it to the entire war.

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                9 months ago

                This is the time when you should self-reflect about how the West propaganda you into this state. Governments, media lie all the time, why should you trust them when they report about their enemy’s countries?

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                    I understand how it can be frustrating for you idiots to be constantly corrected by us, but maybe if you tried learning before assuming you wouldn’t find yourselves geting dogpiled for your ignorant kneejerk support of an islamophobic white supremacist ultranationalist.

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                    9 months ago

                    Liberals speedrun going from telling us we dont know anything to criticizing us for being smug we were right for the 1000th time any%

                    Maybe if people would stop calling us dumb tankies who don’t know how the world works we would stop saying “told you so” everytime we were proven right, again

                    Also eat my whole ass

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                How is that spreading Russian propaganda?!?!

                wow, you can tell it’s an election year… don’t even bother, i know you and your kremlin bot army are just here to convince me not to vote for hillary again. for the record, it won’t work. i’m voting for her twice this year.

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                How is that spreading Russian propaganda?!

                Putin wants to undermine everything Ukraine does and everything their officials say. He wants us to think he killed Navalny in order to boost this message to opponents of Russia, and when a Ukrainian official breaks the truth here you are clinging to Putler’s fantasies. Don’t bother KGB bot, I have personally read every word Anne Applebaum has ever written and would never fall for your underhanded slavic tricks.

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                I think it’s unfair to someone this credulous, so I will let you in on the fact that they are fucking with you when they call you a Russian bot or whatever. People are just really sick of dealing with ignorant neoliberals who treat Navalny like Tank Man. The other things they said, about him being a fascist, etc., were sincere and have even been covered in overly-sympathetic sources like Atlantic.

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              I recently understood that he ‘flirted’ with the rightwing many years ago, but didn’t know he still was.

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                I know you’re getting roasted in the replies, but this is absolutely what most reasonable people would assume given the media atmosphere in the west right now.

                It’s just that western media is generally an unquestioning megaphone for the desires of the US national security apparatus because they’ll lose access to information sources if they don’t.

                It’s always worth exploring information from other sources, especially when it’s about foreign affairs.

                A good strategy for this is:

                1. Pick one country opposed to the West on a given issue
                2. Pick one country that is neither allied or opposed
                3. Search " top news sites"
                4. Search the topic on a few of those sites. Translate pages if necessary.

                I use an RSS feed reader, so when I find a source with English-language version of the site & an RSS feed, I add those to my geopolitics feed, tagging them by country and continent.