This article outlines an opinion that organizations either tried skills based hiring and reverted to degree required hiring because it was warranted, or they didn’t adapt their process in spite of executive vision.

Since this article is non industry specific, what are your observations or opinions of the technology sector? What about the general business sector?

Should first world employees of businesses be required to obtain degrees if they reasonably expect a business related job?

Do college experiences and academic rigor reveal higher achieving employees?

Is undergraduate education a minimum standard for a more enlightened society? Or a way to hold separation between classes of people and status?

Is a masters degree the new way to differentiate yourself where the undergrad degree was before?

Edit: multiple typos, I guess that’s proof that I should have done more college 😄

  • tsonfeir@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    There are people who went to Boot Camps that are excellent developers. There are people who have a masters degree in computer science who are awful developers.

    skilled enough.

    For entry level? Honestly, not usually. They know one thing, and if they deviate from that, their quality breaks down fast.

    degree program.

    Well, there’s no guarantee right? But they’d have a more well rounded understanding of programming. Anyone can use a Class, but can you make one?

    degrees

    Any programming degree, along with an acceptable understanding of the technologies they need on day one.

    For my job specifically, we need someone with PHP experience. Not just how to . My favorite interview question is, “explain to me your understanding of PHP magic methods and how you would use them, in a basic example.”

    I get a lot of dumb looks, and wrong answers.

    That being said, I hired someone who failed that test, but they had a good personality and a willingness to learn—and they have a CS degree.

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            9 months ago

            Is that because you’re more familiar with python than PHP? What framework do you use?

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              9 months ago

              I built sites in PHP before I knew any Python.

              All of my personal web stuff is now based on Flask. I basically just replaced the P in LAMP with Python.

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                  9 months ago

                  Y’all keep asking that. Yes, this was a while ago. Did they completely start over from scratch with 8? Otherwise, the clusterfuck is only growing.

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                    I think it would be easier for you to give me an idea of the clusterfuck you have experienced and I can let you know if that cluster is still fucking.

                    What I do know, is that it is significantly better. Nullable types, multi-catch, typed properties, arrow functions, etc.

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      9 months ago

      The vast majority of boot camp grads are terrible candidates. A degree guarantees almost nothing but a boot camp cert guarantees even less.

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      9 months ago

      Obviously, there’s a lot of ‘it depends on the person’ in this topic. At least in my mind. I think you’re right in that both things (degree/camp) create good and bad results.

      I get a lot of dumb looks, and wrong answers.

      • Do you have any experience hiring a person who passed that test, who wasn’t a degree holder?

      • Do you have any experiences where someone failed that test, wasn’t a degree holder, and you hired them anyway?

      • Do you feel you could put a ratio to it in your field/employer?

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        I don’t have statistics for you.

        I’ve never had a good experience personally, as a developer, with someone whose applicable education came only from a boot camp.

        Boot camps are fine for supplemental education. For learning a new skill. But are not (usually) a good foundation, and don’t teach you enough to actually get a job.

        Also, and this is more personal, it’s kind of annoying when someone thinks their 60 hour class should get them a high paying job.