• RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I don’t get this meme.

    Do both, vote for the lesser evil and demand change by protesting. Those are not mutually exclusive concepts. You are definitely not going to get change by not voting, all you are doing is allowing the more evil to win and prevent you from protesting ever again.

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      9 months ago

      well it’s don’t just vote for the lesser of two evils…
      but i don’t remember anyone saying biden was the only thing needed to stop the arming of israel…

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        9 months ago

        I said that.

        Biden can solely stop the arming of israel by declaring they are committing human rights violations which would prevent arms exports.

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                I don’t see how you’re having trouble understanding that anti-genocide rhetoric can also come from the left. I would actually wager that the majority of genuine critiques surrounding the Biden administration’s support of genocide would not be from Republicans, since most of those fascists love the idea of killing natives in the name of forming a white ethnostate.

                I doubt there are many Trump supporters who want to eliminate the existence of trans/minorities while also saying “FREE PALESTINE” on random lemmy posts lmfao.

                I guess you could take the position that they’re not genuine critiques, that every critique of Biden is a false flag Trump supporter or direct KGB agent from Russia, because who in their right mind would actually give a fuck about a genocide happening to others. They’re not American, so fuck them right?

                If that last paragraph resonates with you, then I’d ask you to consider who in this conversation is actually the close-minded bigot. If it doesn’t, then you have to recognize that there are genuine, valid critiques of Biden coming from the left, and it’s hard to stomach the idea of going out and openly supporting a president in favor of furthering Israel’s genocidal campaign.

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                    I think the majority of Trump supporters can barely get on the internet successfully, let alone infiltrate Lemmy so deeply that 99% of the anti-genocidal rhetoric are false flags. You need some actual data to back this claim, and I don’t know if you’ve ever talked to a Republican, but they’re not exactly known for their ability to empathize with other positions, they have serious trouble explaining what a socialist position even is, they genuinely don’t understand it.

                    If someone online is coherent in their explanation of a leftist position, they’re probably a leftist.

                    Who benefits from all the lefties dropping out

                    Potentially Palestine. I’ve explained this countless times to you moderate libs, and I have no idea how you can’t figure this out on your own, it’s not complicated.

                    If it’s abundantly clear to Biden and Democrats in 2024 that they lost due to their genocide support, and they want to win in 2028, guess what they might do? Stop supporting genocide.

                    What worked in 2020? Anti-Trump rhetoric. What are they trying in 2024? Anti-Trump rhetoric. It’s valid rhetoric, but it also allows them to keep positions they want (e.g funding pro-U.S ethnostates), and ignore positions the vast majority of leftists want (free Palestine).

                    If anti-Trump rhetoric fails in 2024 because supporting genocide is too big of a problem, guess what might happen in 2028 that would otherwise not happen? They could stop supporting genocide to get the votes back and return to power.

                    Literally so unbelievably simple, yet so many people like you don’t reason it out on your own. I don’t know if it’s purposeful ignorance or genuine stupidity.

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            Who is the current president right now, Donald Trump?

            Is Donald Trump going to stop Joe Biden being complicit in Genocide?

            And what you’re saying is not even true I have plenty criticized Republicans.

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                Yes people that can see that Biden is the one complicit in Genocide.

                It’s like DNC voters have turned into the 2016 MAGA cult, purely voting for Biden no matter what he does.

                Biden is supposed to not be the Fascist Genocide guy.

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              According to my calculations, Joe Manchin is President and consistently tells Biden what he’s allowed to do

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      9 months ago

      You don’t get it because you thought about it. This account seems to a mis/disinformation account. Remember to call out and report these accounts.

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      9 months ago

      Well that is kinda what the post is about. You can do both, the meme says don’t JUST vote.

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      There are two arguments I personally find persuasive. First, are you okay with having voted for a candidate that knowingly supported a genocide with words and with weapons (because it looks more and more like this is / will be the case). Second, what other leverage do you have over the Democratic party. Let them know that they can not win with such a historically shitty candidate, lick your wounds and try again next election.

      And if you think Trump is literally Hitler, please do some research and look up what happened after Germany voted for the lesser of two evils (Hindenburg).

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        what other leverage do you have over the Democratic party.

        Voting is but one of many political actions you can take, and is therefore better considered as a small part of a larger political strategy. The best strategy for a leftist in this election is to vote uncommitted in the primaries and for Biden in the general - to send a message to the Dems while also staving off a more rapid decline to neofascism - while spending most of your time and energy engaging in direct action (i.e. protests).

        And if you think Trump is literally Hitler, please do some research and look up what happened after Germany voted for the lesser of two evils (Hindenburg).

        If I were in Germany in 1932 I would probably have voted for Ernst Thälmann, but the German electoral system is not the US electoral system. We have no 3rd option, and that is not something that can be addressed either by voting or abstaining. To address this will require direct action.

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        I am NOT ok with Biden. I’m going to vote for him anyway, because in the next term he will be less bad for Gaza than Trump would be. Even taking into account Biden’s current genocide.