I have no stake in this game, but I think you’re exaggerating.
First, not everything in OP’s post history is negative. There are actually a few very positive stories in there.
Second, the community is called news, not good news. And unfortunately, bad news travel faster and reach further than good news.
And finally, I’ve come across most of those headlines while scrolling around my feed, which means that the news community would be quite dead (Edit:) which means the news community would be less active if it weren’t for the contributions of OP. Help tip the balance, then!
Edit: I re-checked and there are other active contributors in the news community, so I take back my “community being dead otherwise” comment.
There are actually a few very positive stories in there.
An exception does not make the rule. It only strengthens it.
And unfortunately, bad news travel faster and reach further than good news.
This is no excuse to look for gems like the one we’re discussing under, and bring them to public attention. People die everywhere, each day. It’s a harsh truth and it won’t change. But it does not mean that everyone’s feed should be polluted by all those cherrypicked murders, kidnappings, abuse, violation that concerns people whose we didn’t know just a moment ago.
…and whose pain and suffering still resonates with our own emotions.
Help tip the balance, then!
I do. By not joining the parade of misery and directing my efforts at less toxic communities. And also by stigmatizing the toxic behavior as wrong.
An exception does not make the rule. It only strengthens it.
We’re not talking about rules here.
This is no excuse to look for gems like the one we’re discussing under
OP is interested in those topics and he’s posting them. I don’t think there is malice in their intentions. Like I said, OP also posts good news. If there was ill-intention, then all of the posts would be “misery,” and you may have a point. But that’s not the case.
I’m actually daring to say that pieces like this one would bring awareness to the risk of getting a brain eating amoeba infection under certain circumstances.
I do. By not joining the parade of misery and directing my efforts at less toxic communities.
And yet you’re commenting here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . And no, that’s not participating by posting the news you want to see, and just whining in the comments, is not helping.
Of course not. We’re talking about proverbial truth.
OP is interested in those topics and he’s reporting them.
Yes, and that’s why he is the agent of everything that’s bad about our world. Seriously, do you think that the knowledge that some child living across country/globe died a horrible death, actually does help anyone in any positive way whatsoever?
And yet you’re commenting here
Why did you skip my last sentence, one that addresses exactly this observation?
What this user advocates for is Blissful Ignorance. They’d rather rather bury their head in the sand; and if that’s the case, then they either (a) should contribute to such threads with the sort of news they expect, or (b) unsubscribe and seek out places such as UpliftingNews.
Anything less than these options and the person is a essentially a spoiled choosy beggar in my view who spreads just as much if not more negativity in their comments as they allege from OP’s submission.
The user acts and quacks like a troll — or at least someone so imperceptibly-off that they lack a moment’s introspection to see that blissful ignorance invokes FAR more misery in this world than what he suggests.
Lol yep. I live around here and there are a lot of hot springs. This is actually important news - keep us aware and safe. Donno what that poster is smoking…
He ripped you apart for the use of proverb/appeal to authority. You need to know your fallacies if you’re gonna argue. An early game mistake, but you gotta roll with the punches.
OP is interested in those topics and he’s posting them. I don’t think there is malice in their intentions. Like I said, OP also posts good news. If there was ill-intention, then all of the posts would be “misery,” and you may have a point. But that’s not the case.
This is where you could have clarified your argument. Something to the effect of “I’m not trying to make the claim that OP was being actively malicious. I’m saying that he was adding to the greater misery of all people by posting negative news that has no effect on anybody outside the family it happened to.” Remember to never use the phrase “I didn’t say” it sounds whiny and people hate it.
Personally I’d add a paragraph here where I’d go off into a short diatribe about the 24 hour news cycle being accelerated by the internet. But that’s a stylistic choice.
Again your final paragraph has conviction, which is good. But, this time you refered to an earlier argument which hurt you. You can reference the earlier paragraph, but he just claimed it didn’t hold water and your response was “yes it does”.
Consider instead: “As I said before “short quote from before”. I don’t believe that engaging with things I disagree with perpetuates them. Though, if you have a more effective way of speaking out about it, I’d love to hear it.”*
For proper logic you want the formal fallacy list, for better arguing you want the informal list.
*Note: “I’d love to hear it” is a great way to end a part of the argument but it must (a) be specified with which part of the argument you’re talking about and (b) be something beyond repute. It’s a very helpful tool, but used carelessly, it will cut your hand.
Hey, this is gonna come off mean, but I’m really hoping some of it will rub off and you’ll take something to heart.
You initial point wasn’t terrible. This next post lost anybody that may agree with you. Proverbs and quotes don’t win arguments, they come off as appeals to authority.
In your next paragraph you need to give some room so you don’t come off as unwilling to agree on anything. "I see where your coming from, but “this thing” rubs me the wrong way. “Explanation of why”. In contrast, if what they just said really doesn’t make sense to you: “I honestly can’t understand how you feel that way given that…”
Either way, this is also where you need to present your evidence.
Your final paragraph is great. You have conviction in your stance on the argument. Great way to end a first reply where you haven’t been convinced of anything.
I have no stake in this game, but I think you’re exaggerating.
First, not everything in OP’s post history is negative. There are actually a few very positive stories in there.
Second, the community is called news, not good news. And unfortunately, bad news travel faster and reach further than good news.
And finally, I’ve come across most of those headlines while scrolling around my feed,
which means that the news community would be quite dead(Edit:) which means the news community would be less active if it weren’t for the contributions of OP. Help tip the balance, then!Edit: I re-checked and there are other active contributors in the news community, so I take back my “community being dead otherwise” comment.
An exception does not make the rule. It only strengthens it.
This is no excuse to look for gems like the one we’re discussing under, and bring them to public attention. People die everywhere, each day. It’s a harsh truth and it won’t change. But it does not mean that everyone’s feed should be polluted by all those cherrypicked murders, kidnappings, abuse, violation that concerns people whose we didn’t know just a moment ago.
…and whose pain and suffering still resonates with our own emotions.
I do. By not joining the parade of misery and directing my efforts at less toxic communities. And also by stigmatizing the toxic behavior as wrong.
We’re not talking about rules here.
OP is interested in those topics and he’s posting them. I don’t think there is malice in their intentions. Like I said, OP also posts good news. If there was ill-intention, then all of the posts would be “misery,” and you may have a point. But that’s not the case.
I’m actually daring to say that pieces like this one would bring awareness to the risk of getting a brain eating amoeba infection under certain circumstances.
And yet you’re commenting here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . And no, that’s not participating by posting the news you want to see, and just whining in the comments, is not helping.
Of course not. We’re talking about proverbial truth.
Yes, and that’s why he is the agent of everything that’s bad about our world. Seriously, do you think that the knowledge that some child living across country/globe died a horrible death, actually does help anyone in any positive way whatsoever?
Why did you skip my last sentence, one that addresses exactly this observation?
I have a 2 year old and live in Nevada. Now I know to avoid taking my kid to swim in warm fresh water ponds, so, kinda helpful?
What this user advocates for is Blissful Ignorance. They’d rather rather bury their head in the sand; and if that’s the case, then they either (a) should contribute to such threads with the sort of news they expect, or (b) unsubscribe and seek out places such as UpliftingNews.
Anything less than these options and the person is a essentially a spoiled choosy beggar in my view who spreads just as much if not more negativity in their comments as they allege from OP’s submission.
The user acts and quacks like a troll — or at least someone so imperceptibly-off that they lack a moment’s introspection to see that blissful ignorance invokes FAR more misery in this world than what he suggests.
Lol yep. I live around here and there are a lot of hot springs. This is actually important news - keep us aware and safe. Donno what that poster is smoking…
TIL OP is literally Satan.
Nah, merely an useful idiot serving the wrong side.
You have 356 comments and nearly any of them have upvotes.
Keep telling your truths and we’ll keep ignoring it.
What comments are you talking about? Who are “we” you’re talking about? A handful of drama-junkies with multiple accounts and not much to say?
Oh my, I’m gonna get ignored by less than a soccer team. What an awful fate lies before me! Oh no!
We serve food here, sir.
Yes. And it stinks in addition of making people sick.
He ripped you apart for the use of proverb/appeal to authority. You need to know your fallacies if you’re gonna argue. An early game mistake, but you gotta roll with the punches.
This is where you could have clarified your argument. Something to the effect of “I’m not trying to make the claim that OP was being actively malicious. I’m saying that he was adding to the greater misery of all people by posting negative news that has no effect on anybody outside the family it happened to.” Remember to never use the phrase “I didn’t say” it sounds whiny and people hate it.
Personally I’d add a paragraph here where I’d go off into a short diatribe about the 24 hour news cycle being accelerated by the internet. But that’s a stylistic choice.
Again your final paragraph has conviction, which is good. But, this time you refered to an earlier argument which hurt you. You can reference the earlier paragraph, but he just claimed it didn’t hold water and your response was “yes it does”.
Consider instead: “As I said before “short quote from before”. I don’t believe that engaging with things I disagree with perpetuates them. Though, if you have a more effective way of speaking out about it, I’d love to hear it.”*
List of fallacies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
For proper logic you want the formal fallacy list, for better arguing you want the informal list.
*Note: “I’d love to hear it” is a great way to end a part of the argument but it must (a) be specified with which part of the argument you’re talking about and (b) be something beyond repute. It’s a very helpful tool, but used carelessly, it will cut your hand.
Tell me you’re an Internet newcomer without telling me you’re an Internet newcomer.
Hey, this is gonna come off mean, but I’m really hoping some of it will rub off and you’ll take something to heart.
You initial point wasn’t terrible. This next post lost anybody that may agree with you. Proverbs and quotes don’t win arguments, they come off as appeals to authority.
In your next paragraph you need to give some room so you don’t come off as unwilling to agree on anything. "I see where your coming from, but “this thing” rubs me the wrong way. “Explanation of why”. In contrast, if what they just said really doesn’t make sense to you: “I honestly can’t understand how you feel that way given that…”
Either way, this is also where you need to present your evidence.
Your final paragraph is great. You have conviction in your stance on the argument. Great way to end a first reply where you haven’t been convinced of anything.
It won’t since I won’t read it.
Fair enough. I hope you’ll consider reading it as that was intended to be a consolation before genuine critique, but you’re your own person.