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      8 months ago

      This place really needs a rule on quality news sources. Not that it would be enforced correctly like the rest of the rules.

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        Sure, I like it.

        You also run into problems with news media that have a conservative bias; they trend significantly less factual than news media that have a liberal bias. For instance, despite being quite far to the left, Jacobin is very good at having factual information. Even Salon–which should not be mistaken for a reputable news source–does better than Newsmax or OAN. If you look for sources that have a left bias and rate “high” for factual reporting, you end up with a pretty large list; when you switch that to a right bias, you list is about 1/4 - 1/3 of the size.

        It’s worth noting that there are NO sites that have a left or right bias that are “very high” for factual reporting, there are five sources that are center-left that are very high (and no center-right sources), and all of the other “very high” sources are least biased or specifically pro-science. IMO, sources that rate below “mostly factual” shouldn’t be used, since it’s too much of a pain in the ass to track down their sources and verify their claims.

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          Agreed. But like I said, never going to happen because using shitty misinformation sources is critical to maintaining beliefs in conservative ideals.

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          Lmao at spamming a bunch of links to the fucking hacks at mediabias

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            Today’s dismissive label of the day from momo is “fucking hacks”, how fun!

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        Didnt you call Abbott bussing immigrants across state borders trafficking?

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          Yes, because he was tricking said immigrants and using people and families as pawns to hurt political opponents, neither of which is true of Biden.

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            Okay, thats not true, but you say you care about rule of law.

            What Bidens admin is doing is being a coyote. Similar thing.

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              Okay, thats not true

              What’s not true?

              What Bidens admin is doing is being a coyote. Similar thing.

              What the hell does that even mean?

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                tricking said immigrants

                That parts not true. He was using them to hurt political opponents, because illegals hurt, and hurting them was the only way to get democrats to realize that. He tried using his words for years, and then he decided that if democrats wanted them, they could have them.

                Worked brilliantly.

                What Bidens admin is doing is being a coyote. Similar thing.

                A coyote is a human smuggler, specifically one that gets illegal immigrants from Mexico to America. That’s exactly what Biden’s admin is doing.

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                  That parts not true.

                  Looking into it, I was remembering DeSantis’ bullshittery, as he was the one explicitly caught tricking immigrants. But regardless I doubt Abott has been any better:

                  “Migrants are regularly tricked and defrauded as part of their trafficking experience, with traffickers and exploiters taking advantage of their recent arrival, limited English proficiency, and unfamiliarity with our government systems and labor laws. In a recently released study of 4,000 legal temporary workers in the United States between 2018 to 2020, Polaris found that in 34 percent of cases migrants reported that misrepresentation of destination/work situation was part of their trafficking experience.”

                  https://polarisproject.org/press-releases/polariss-statement-on-recent-immigrant-relocation-and-trafficking/

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Project

                  He was using them to hurt political opponents, because illegals hurt, and hurting them was the only way to get democrats to realize that. He tried using his words for years, and then he decided that if democrats wanted them, they could have them.

                  Worked brilliantly.

                  Yeah that’s not really an accurate view of what happened. The democrats rose to the occasion to help get them housed and fed while things get worked out.

                  If anything it just continues to show how cruel republicans are. When democrats are given the tired and the poor, they help them out. When republicans are given the tired and the poor they deport them and let them starve.

                  A coyote is a human smuggler, specifically one that gets illegal immigrants from Mexico to America. That’s exactly what Biden’s admin is doing.

                  Not really smuggling when it is public information & through humanitarian parole. And most of it isn’t from Mexico. According to the below NYT article, roughly half of the immigrants have been Ukranians.

                  https://apnews.com/article/immigration-parole-trump-biden-latin-america-hungary-vietnam-cuba-venezuela-6deab463a9cc596b2cd1adc6443da787

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/23/us/biden-immigration-humanitarian-parole.html

                  So even by your own definition your name calling isn’t accurate.

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      For conservatives, taking responsibility for actions only is required when it has the effect of punishing an out group, minority, etc.

      The U.S. destroyed large swaths of Latin America, causing countless refugees to try to escape, many of then to our own borders. But said refugees are an out group, and the action our own, so according to conservatives the U.S. has no responsibility despite our own actions being the cause.

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    “This administration is both importing voters and creating a national security threat from unvetted illegal immigrants,” Elon Musk posted on X while sharing a DailyMail.com story about the secretive flights.

    “It is highly probable that the groundwork is being laid for something far worse than 9/11. Just a matter of time.”

    Can we have smarter, more ethical rich people, please? This kind of speculation is not only irresponsible, but just plain stupid.

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      I normally don’t comment on many of these immigrant topics in depth because I’m not anti-immigrant. Everyone immigrated here at some point.

      What I don’t like is the weird conspiracies are immigrants.

      My issue is illegal immigration as I think you should come legally. I this business should be punished severely for hiring illegal immigrants.

      Congress needs to do more around immigration since there appears to be a need for immigrants.

      People often want to point the finger at immigrants but our system encourages it.