Like even if they have nothing else they could just leak IP is there any law against it ? Or any technical aspect stopping them ?

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    Yes, there are laws against doxxing in several countries.

    There is no technical aspect stopping it. Every website has your IP, sometimes also the people you chat with or write emails to, as this might (or might not) be part of the meta-information.

    An IP address is a boring piece of information. Usually you can just infer the country and which internet service provider someone uses. You’d need to sue the ISP or get a court order to get the name and address of who’s using that IP number.

    Running these services is a lot of work and requires some skill, at least to do it sustainably. Usually it’s certain people who are dedicated enough and willing to put in the effort… They are motivated to build something or help people. That’s what drives them. It’s somewhat unlikely but not impossible that they participate in malicious behaviour. Sometimes internet drama happens. But users aren’t stupid either.

    (But people who want to destroy and troll, rarely have the character traits to succeed at something like this. You’d pass on easier methods to wreak more havoc, to instead spend time learning webhosting, Linux, build up a community and maintain the server… You wouldn’t do all of that unless it were worth it. I can only imagine that happening in a targeted attack that pays a good amount of money. Or a really good amount of internet fame because you doxxed a high-profile celebrity or something like that.)

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      So your whole argument is based of the kindness of admins ? I get that you are trying to see the good but still

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        The kindness of admins is a requirement of pretty much all internet infrastructure. Email servers are the same, no? And it gets even harder with proprietary networks – if the admins are being unkind, you can just switch discord servers or whatever. Anyway, I digress.

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        What’s your question? I mean different types of services exist. You’re currently on a platform powered by volunteers. If you don’t like it, there is alternatives like Reddit which is a commercial / for-profit company.

        We have projects like Lemmy, Linux and the whole Free Software which somewhat relies on kindness and giving. It’s the same for charity, your schools extracurricular club where parents and teachers volunteer their time and energy. Or bring cake to a special day.

        And with the “trust”: I think it’s more nuanced. You also rely on other peoples kindness to stop at the red light at a traffic junction and not crash into you at full speed. Theoretically nothing is stopping them. It’s the same concept, you’re forced to cooperate sometimes and rely on other people to abide by the law and also cooperate. It regularly works fine. Just make a good choice whom you trust and why.

        You don’t need to worry about your IP. It’s really not a big deal if people know it… I’d have a look at who’s running a service once I upload private documents with my finances etc, photos of me… More than random ramblings. And experience shows also the services that don’t rely on volunteering aren’t a safe bet. Most of the big companies and platforms have been hacked. https://haveibeenpwned.com/ lists my email AND password has been lost at least 3 times by the big players.

        And regarding you specifically… I already know enough about you by reading your public posts. You’re probably from the USA. At least I didn’t find comments in other languages, and statistics tell me people here are either american or german. You use Android, know what FOSS is, seem to like it and play things like Supertuxkart. You like to waste some of your time in meme communities and casual conversation and just created this account yesterday. And you talk a certain way which makes me think this isn’t your first time on the internet. What else am I supposed to deduct by knowing your IP?

        You’re right asking the question “should I trust you with my data”. That is why I don’t use Facebook, Microsoft, bonus cards, TEMU…

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          Woah you were close

          like it and play things like Supertuxkart.

          Wrong . I hate playing any and all games.

          just created this account yesterday.

          And you talk a certain way which makes me think this isn’t your first time on the internet.

          There was a post about me moving my account on casual conversation.

          Other than these two mistake you mostly nailed it

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            Hehe, we seem to share a few things…

            I mean we’re often predctable, and while Lemmy is somewhat diverse, most people I meet here are either American or German and males from, lets say 20-40. And there are certain types prevalent. Like the Meme-Lord, the casual Linux expert, the normal guy or the agitated opposer. Some people fulfill multiple categories or like being a bit schizophrenic on the internet. But I’ve also met people with crazy niche interests, or trying new things, so there is that.

            And I can’t really tell: Playing devil’s advocate, participating in memes and internet culture and having multiple sock-puppet accounts for different use-cases are fairly common and make it difficult to judge a person. And my own behaviour is also very different in real-life than what I do here.

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              Huh never knew germans where the other popular category here i guessed that usa would be one of course. You learn somethin everyday i guess.

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                It’s been the same on Reddit, so I think with lots of people coming from there, it’s just the logical consequence that we get the same demographics here. My perspective might be a bit skewed on that… I’ve also talked to some British and Canadian people here. There’s some server statistics (on Fediverse observer or something) that reflect a similar thing with the origin of the servers. Ultimately I like platforms like this for connecting people all across the world.

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        Their comment started with mentioning laws. That’s more than betting on only kindness.

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        All of society runs on people acting on the goodness of their hearts.