I think the point is this is paradoxical. Everything must be proven by facts and we cannot trust any general, abstract statement of its own accord, then how can we prove “everything must be proven by facts and we cannot trust any general, abstract statement of its own accord”? What if that’s a wrong assumption?
Maybe the truth is we don’t always need to rely on observable facts, but we don’t know that because we’re making the aforementioned assumption without having any proof that it’s correct.
The deeper you go in the why territory, the more abstract and tangental your axioms get.
So yeah. All facts and truths ultimately rest on foundations that are either kinda unobservable or unproven. Doesn’t make them less practical or true (by practical definitions) though.
“Why”, when distinguished from “how”, is asking about the intent of a thinking agent. Neuroscience, psychology, and sociology exist for when thinking agents are involved. When they’re not, that type of “why” makes no sense.
Its strength is generating models of reality that have predictive power, and fine-tuning those models as new information is obtained.
Its weaknesses are a lack of absolute certainty and the inability to model that which has no detectable impact on reality.
Also never touching any why-questions
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Why?
We got some 101’s in here beanbag chairin it up.
Speak for yourself, I’m having this conversation from a papasan chair I found on the side of the road
Yeah I’m the one on the beanbag sorry for the confusion guys
Because without facts, what you have is not “truth.” It’s either speculation or bullshit.
But how do you define “facts?” And how do you define “truth?” And how do you define “is?”
We’ll see who cancels who?
Thanks, Jordan.
I think the point is this is paradoxical. Everything must be proven by facts and we cannot trust any general, abstract statement of its own accord, then how can we prove “everything must be proven by facts and we cannot trust any general, abstract statement of its own accord”? What if that’s a wrong assumption?
Maybe the truth is we don’t always need to rely on observable facts, but we don’t know that because we’re making the aforementioned assumption without having any proof that it’s correct.
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The deeper you go in the why territory, the more abstract and tangental your axioms get.
So yeah. All facts and truths ultimately rest on foundations that are either kinda unobservable or unproven. Doesn’t make them less practical or true (by practical definitions) though.
To get a fact out of an observation requires interpretation and a desire-to-interpret. It’s observation translated into dreamstuff.
“Why”, when distinguished from “how”, is asking about the intent of a thinking agent. Neuroscience, psychology, and sociology exist for when thinking agents are involved. When they’re not, that type of “why” makes no sense.
I think that’s because there is no answer to “why” - At least not one that would satisfy the human mind.
The best we are ever going to be getting is “it just is”.